In comparing Howard and Alar ask THIS question-

If Allar is at Ohio State, they probably lose another close game or two because of his penchant for making killer mistakes and poor mechanics.

 

If Drew Allar doesn’t get injured he’s a first round pick this year

Right or wrong

 

It's their fault when Penn State had to play good competition their receivers couldn't get open.

 

Given that his numbers declined even against the easy part of the schedule, Allar was already playing himself out of the first round when he got hurt.

 

Allar had a low turnover percentage in his career .

 

He missed open receivers, made key mistakes, and showed that tendency to look at the rush instead of keeping his eyes downfield. Those are his flaws, not the receivers.

 

When Howard won the championship he had Egbuka, Tate, and Smith at WR, all three will end up being first round picks .

 

Name one receiver from those teams in the NFL, even one of Penn State former coaches said Allar was being used in the wrong offense.

 

Really, you think Aaron Rodgers plays all 17 games this year?

I would say the chances that a 42/43 year old Aaron Rodgers plays all 17 games this year is 15%.

 

And you guys said the same thing last year and Rodgers ended up playing 16 games.

 

If he comes back it’s not with the intention of him playing all 17 games unless both Allar and Howard are flops

 

So what percentage do you give Rodgers for Starting all 17 games this year? Last year there were 63 starting QBs, you don't think Allar or Howard will be one in 2026?

This was the posters quote "we will be lucky if either of them starts a regular season NFL game this year"

I thought this was completely unrealistic assumption that neither Allar nor Howard is going to start a single game this year for Pittsburgh. With Rodgers back, I have Mason out of Town when the season starts.

 

85%

 

Should poor throws to open receivers not count if the receiver isn't NFL?

 

Howard stepped up while Allar was injured. That is my point. How clutch would we consider Howard if he never finished the season snd was denied his post season run?.

BTW, quite the assumption that pro Penn State bias is the only reason someone might wonder if he is the better player.

Me? Never lived east of the Rockies. I don't care about Penn State.

I live in Boise and watched Brett Rypen OWN Josh Allen in college. Rypen was more accurate, appeared more clutch, and was the bigger winner. Rypen was also a more developed college QB. I did not understand the Allen hype. Allen was considered raw but had elite tools. But he was the much better pro QB.

THIS is the source of my though that Allar "might" be better than he looked like in college.

 

Man, some of y'all will twist yourselves into some serious knots trying to excuse Allar's flaws. Allar had opportunities to step up when it mattered in his career. He failed.

 

Two already have, the third next year.

 

I’d say the odds of Aaron Rodgers playing all 17 games are near zero — about 5% at best.The Steelers need a smart, realistic plan right now.Limit Rodgers in the preseason. Let him play in Games 1 and 2, but with reduced snaps and careful management.

During the regular season, start him until he inevitably breaks down — because at his age, it can happen at any time. They need to develop the backup quarterback early in camp. Give Drew Allar the initial nod in camp and let him and Howard battle it out until the end of Preseason Game 1. It sucks for Howard, but that’s the reality. He’ll have to impress early.


Once the backup is chosen, he should get significantly more practice reps than usual — roughly 25% more than last year’s backup QB. That’s about one-third of all quarterback snaps in practice. Right now, Rodgers gives us the best chance to win. But that window won’t stay open for long. Our backup needs to be ready when the time comes.

Ante up!


- JB

 

That's exactly right. I wanted Howard to fall on his face while a Buckeye, but he's one of us now!

 

We don't know how that would have turned out if they each played at the other school.

I agree that there was much more talent at Ohio State, but I'm not going to pin that on Howard or say he wouldn't have been drafted. He can only play in the scheme they put him in and with the players they recruited around him.

Both these guys had flaws at the college level. Some fixable. Others, to be determined. I hope they are both able to fix the mechanical issues and really take to the coaching and the scheme they are going to play in.

I think Howard is ahead of Allar in the mental aspects of the game and he played in a more sophisticated offense. He was also in school for five seasons and a season in the NFL to work on his game and learn how to be an NFL quarterback. That gives him the advantage of likely learning the offense quicker and being able to perform within the system better.

Can Allar soak up all the new information and have it translate to the field while also working on his mechanics? That's a bit of an unkown.

If Rodgers signs, both quarterbacks will have a full year in McCarthy's offense, then the competition will play out next season.

If Rodgers doesn't sign, I think Howard is the guy that will most likely get the first chance unless Allar really shows something quickly.

 

67 TD's at k-state. 48 passing another 19 running. the first two seasons i don't really care about since he wasn't a starter but not bad numbers at a run heavy school. a big 12 championship as well. his junior year he threw at a 59.8 % average. you are right below 60 but .02% ain't much to get overly concerned with. 9 games, 6 games, 7 games up to his last two years. never the starter until then. once he was the numbers improved. he can run also. allar has not had the success that howard has no matter how you want to downplay him. his best trait is coachability. he had to do it at two schools. heck joe burrow struggled the first year at LSU with a new system. howard flourished. that tells a lot.

34 games at k-state to allars 45 games at PSU. 67 TD's for howard, 73 for allar. that's 6 more TD's but in 11 more games. that's not even counting the ohio state season. add those 41 TD's to howards.

 

Most of this makes sense

In camp Rodgers Mason Allar and Howard will see pretty equal snaps that is why you take 4 to camp

In preseason games Allar and Howard will share the bulk of the snaps with Mason getting a few Rodgers none

 

How about listing the turnovers as well. That's what I do to paint a true picture of the players performance is list it for both players.

You are claiming I'm downplaying Howard, but I list the stats of both players for others to decide. You are only listing numbers that make Howard look good. It is you that is bashing Allar.

Drew Allar had multiple offensive coordinators and offenses he had to learn as well, but had less years in college to work on his game.

Howard started less games because he got benched playing for Kansas State in an inferior conference with mostly bad defenses. He turned the ball over too much at Kansas State.

Rushing Stats.

Allar played in 45 games over his career. He had 12 career rushing touchdowns, fumbled 7 times and lost 3 of them. https://www.foxsports.com/college-football/drew-allar-player-stats?category=rushing&seasonType=reg

Howard played in 50 games over his career. He had 26 career rushing touchdowns, fumbled 16 times and lost 6 of them. https://www.foxsports.com/college-f...-player-stats?category=rushing&seasonType=reg

Drew Allar had 13 INT and fumbled 7 times, losing 3 of those fumbles. He has 16 total turnovers for his career.

Will Howard had 35 INT and fumbled 16 times, losing 6 of those fumbles. He has 41 total turnovers for his career.

 

Co signed. Spot on. My thoughts exactly.

 

howards improvement depicts his ability to learn. that's what i have seen from him. IMHO he is more coachable. i'll leave it at that. you can love on allar all you want but he couldn't win when the lights were the brightest. i have watched both play a lot.