Billy B...not 1st Ballot HoF. Will Ben also get screwed over?

You might want to watch the video I posted. We all saw the final drive. You are just seeing what you want to see. I am showing you what actually happened and so is Santonio Holmes.

You haven't proven anything other than you are unwilling to actually understand what happened on the field in that Super Bowl or you are intentionally lying about it.

Holmes dropped a perfect pass for a touchdown to win the game on first down......period.

Just watch the video. It's all there. Holmes said he screwed up. Nothing you are saying here makes you even remotely correct. It makes you comically wrong. Holmes says it himself, but somehow you think everyone is supposed to listen to your nonsense when they can watch a video of it and see it for themselves and have Santonio Holmes be the one telling you exactly what happened?

Everyone here can listen to Santonio Holmes in his own words tell you he screwed up and dropped the pass. Then on the game-winning play on second down, Holmes stumbles on his route and almost goes down, but Ben buys time and stays with him and makes the perfect pass for the game-winning touchdown. Stop trying to act like you're in the right here. You're full of it and you know it.

You are saying that Holmes bailed Roethlisberger out. Nothing could be further from the truth. Making the quarterback have to throw two game-winning touchdown passes because he dropped the first one isn't bailing the quarterback out.

Pretending it didn't happen doesn't make it so.

 

The thing is...if they do make Ben wait I think it will be 2 years.

Ben is eligible in 2027 (where he should get in IMO). Brady is eligible in 2028.

I don't think they put another QB in the Hall in Brady's year.

 

If Ben doesn't get in at first crack then Ben can only blame himself.

 

If Billy B isnt a first ballot Hall of Famer, then its really hard to point to any consistent criteria being used to judge 1st ballot Hallof Famers. So as far is Ben is concerned I dont really know if he gets in first ballot, if im guessing I say no if Bill didnt get in. But then you see that guys like Drew Brees and Luke Keuchley get in first ballot, so who knows.

 

The MVP discussion is so subjective, there really wasnt a guy who dominated the whole game. You can make the case for Ben, you can make the case for Holmes, and you could make the case for Harrison. That INT return was every bit as crucial as that final drive.

 

Agreed good sir!


Agree to disagree.

 

Anyone, and I mean Anyone saying that S. Holmes deserves that MVP over Ben then also believes if Ben had gotten hurt before that drive that We would have won anyway because S. Holmes would have made it happen. LoL.
When in all reality another Qb would have been sacked 3 times on that drive, and Holmes wouldn't even seen a pass. I suggest going back, and watching that drive again.

 

Speaking of Bill not getting in on the 1st ballot. I would think it had more to do with all of the proven cheating scandals during his tenure. Way too many asterisks on his resume. Ben may have done some bone-headed things off the field, but he wasnt a cheater. On Ben's football accomplishments alone, he is worthy of a 1st ballot IMO. It blows my mind that some people here are even disputing that.

 

Totally agree, but my question is if they kept Bill Belichick out for cheating, how do they then not keep Tom Brady out for the same?? There is no possible way that he didn't know, hell they built their game plans, and audibles from it.

 

Good point. When someone commits a crime, any accomplices are just as guilty. If Brady knew about it, then you can assume Rob Gronkowski knew about too. Does Gronk not get into the HOF on the 1st ballot as well? I mean, it begs to ask how far are they willing to go with this?

 

Gronk was not with the pats yet in the spygate era

 

You're right, I stand corrected. I guess the "deflategate" doesn't really count.

 

True. But he did go to Tampa and win another SB, while Bill couldn't land another job in the league.

 

Second prize was ok

 

Cannot ignore the defensive role in that win.
Ben throws a pick and rather than resulting in the easy score it looked like AZ was gonna have Bens early mistake is rewarded with AZ throwing a pick 6 on a potential score and the defense has the best defensive play in SB history.

We always forget that Bens offense was outscored by the Cardinals offense that day 23-20. To disregard the defenses play that day in an effort to praise Ben is ridiculous. Ben had an incredible drive to win the game. Team effort all the way.

 

Nah, I believe when pretty much HALF a QBs stats go to one receiver it tends to go to the receiver. Who had the better game? Ben had a pick and that one TD to Holmes. Overall a modest performance prior to that last super clutch drive.
Holmes literally had the BEST STATISTICAL GAME OF HIS CAREER in that SB accounting for over half of Bens yards and his only score.

As far as "any other QB"?

Hard to find a more beloved media darling than Joe Montana.

Jerry Rice was named MVP of Super Bowl XXIII (1989), in the 49ers' 20-16 win against the Bengals. Joe Montana completing 23 of 36 passes for 357 yards and two touchdowns, and zero picks, orchestrating the game-winning drive. Game winning TD was to John Taylor not Rice.
Kupp won it not Stafford despite Stafford leading a late game winning drive just like Ben.

In Super Bowl XXXIX against the Eagles on February 6, 2005 Brady was 23 of 33 69.7 percent 236 yards TWO touchdowns, zero turnovers 110.2 QB rating. Branch was MVP despite the fact that NEITHER Brady touchdown was to him.

Whether we agree with MVP going to Holmes or not, it was no anti Ben hate behind it. If a QB leans on one receiver a ton, receiver is gonna get it.

 

The ball was tipped for the interception of Ben in the super bowl btw,so we can't blame him for this interception

The thing,in this super bowl,the steelers had tried to establish their running game way too much, even though their running game had been awful for that game (26 runs for 58 yards) and for the whole year in general(23th in rushing yards despite being 9th in rushing attempts), with the exception of the Chargers' game in the playoffs.

 

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It was a deflected pass. Who else would you blame besides the QB? It wasn't tipped by a DB or WR.

 

This interception was just unlucky