Remember When......

Interesting information that I did not know

But then again I never thought of cheating let alone did it

Apparently we have different standards of ethics

 

Almost certainly true. Every person who’s ever been alive does.

FWIW, I’ve never done it either.

Nor have I had AI do all my course work. Nor have I paid an essay mill to generate reports. The list goes on.

I still now how to make that happen because I have to know it.

 

LoL. That made me chuckle.

 

I just saw a poll stating that 76% of all college students use AI for their coursework.

Too bad we didn't have computers to do all our stuff for us.

Now Skynet does your homework for you.

 

We won’t even be able to form a resistance to send Kyle Reese back in time because we’re all not going to be able to think without Google.

I’ve got a diatribe locked and loaded about how we made education a commodity rather than an achievement and students got tricked into believing the “correct” answers were the goal not the skills learned to get there.

But now all I can think about is how weird it must’ve been to send your own dad back in time.

Also dogs are super important for sniffing out Terminators. So it’s up to Jeh to save the planet.

 

I don't take you seriously either. But at least you have your therapy dogs to live in a cheap bublef()@k county. So you have that going for you.

You amsure me like a clown .... and do so for free.

 

Joel I have to give credit where credit is due you stated something honest and accurate

First even I don’t take myself seriously

Second my dogs are great therapy

Third I do live in a cheap county and I live very well there (although have you yet figured out your error when you claimed I lived in California)(and what is a bublef()@k)

 

My rant turned on...my apologies, but one of my biggest pet peeves is the broken college system and the clear solution few want to talk about (instead, lets do the stupidest thing, forgive some/all loans)

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I have argued the biggest reason for soaring costs are two fold, but first and foremost is when the federal government got in the game of using TAXPAYER money to back student loans. Once that spigot was opened the cash was flowing with MANY a student planning to or assuming they wouldn't have to pay some or most of it back. Thus the HUGE student debt issue for 30+ years running. I am one of minority than thinks EVERY single student should have to pay back every penny plus all the interest. NO ONE forces them to take a loan or go to college. If it takes them till their 60 to pay it back, so be it. If still in debt, don't pay out Social Security to them until its paid off.

Second, the ENDLESS one-upmanships by colleges/universities to market and attract the high paying students with silly nonsensical stuff like a lazy river, and huge dorms that rival the nicest apartments anywhere. That all costs BOATLOADS of money and they rapidly increase the cost of not just tuition, but room/board, food plans, books, lab materials, PARKING and more.

The fix for runaway college inflation, very, VERY simple. No more government-backed student loans OR grants. It stops, giving ONE year of grace period for adjustment.

The result, half empty dorms and cafeterias and classrooms for the next year or two, with several overbuilt and over-hired staff colleges folding completely (good riddance). Colleges falling all over themselves offering buy one year, get one free, or free room/board/meals if you pay tuition (that will be cut 20 or 30% from prior year), etc.

Will it be PAINFUL for a year or two for the poor HS seniors and juniors? Yes. Worst case many have to delay college a year (no big deal really) and maybe go work. Some may find they don't want or need college. MAny will flock to vocations which this country DESPERATELY needs. We need more and better carpenters, plumbers, electricians, auto/truck/jet mechanics, etc.

If I were in charge, fully, I'd cut out the federal government and 3 years out we'd see a great cost readjustment by colleges, they'd have NO CHOICE. That would also fix your concern over "administration costs are ridiculous", because there would be a huge layoff of useless admins, counselers, therapists, etc.

The one other nugget would be this, I'd require ALL Professors and Associate Professors to teach, LIVE, at least 15 hours a week. No more professors getting massive pay to teach NO hours or just one class a week. That is mind-boggling stupid. I don't care about "but they do research". Fine, do that on your OWN TIME, not from taxpayers and students paying you to lay around your office and labs 6, 7, 8 hours a day producing NOTHING.

As Dan Aykroyd's character said in Ghostbusters..."I've worked in the private sector...they expect results!" He was lamenting having to actually produce something. Time for profressors to have to produce something for those outrageous salaries and grants.

 

Nice rant

I’m going to read it when I’m younger

 

Almost none of this either feasible or even true. It almost seems like you are not highly familiar with how universities actual are funded, function, or work on a daily basis. Or, you may be associated with a really poorly run one?

Soaring costs has almost nothing to do with student loans being backed by the government. That started in the late 1950's if I recall correctly. Costs exploded when two things hit the higher ed system at the same time: declining demographics (less students/year) and public money was yanked off the table. Since the mid-2000's decline in state funding levels has resulted in (by most estimates) 40-50% of the tuition increases that students and their families see.

The teaching thing at almost every university is 3-4 classes per semester. LIMITED spots at the top tier research schools will take that load down for a typically finite period of time. But that transfer of responsibility from teaching to research has traditionally had a massive ROI for the schools and the public dollars that fund the research. We are all using devices and infrastructure to rant and rave about the Steelers and other topics as a direct result.

I worked for a long time at a teaching only place. There is no "your own time" for research. I, and everyone else I knew, was working 60+ hour weeks just carrying the teaching load and mentoring students. What students then lose is exposure and training to the practical and tangible applications of the stuff they are getting in the lecture halls. Unfortunately, that practical, tangible, and applied stuff is what employers want students to have exposure to - far more than the "book learning". Without active research by faculty and staff....that doesn't happen.

This is not some defense of the system. There is SO MUCH wrong with it. The American higher education system is fundamentally broken. I suspect it will not exist in a form any of us recognize in a decade or two. That should terrify everyone. A great majority of the scientific, medical, technical, and military wonders that supported the incredible run of American prosperity from roughly 1950-2000 was a direct throughput from the higher education system as most of us generally know it.

BUT...student loans is not what broke the system. Not even close.