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Is A Scrambling QB A Winning QB?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Bubbahotep, Mar 25, 2026 at 3:40 PM.

  1. Steelersfan43

    Steelersfan43 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah,I agree....I remember in the 2010s,sometimes the defense needed a spy against him, otherwise he was going to have an easy first down with his legs even if it was a third down and 9 and the coverage was perfect.He was also amazing to extent the play... He was such a killer!
     
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  2. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    QBs that can keep eyes downfield while breaking the pocket are the ones to fear most.
     
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  3. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We Are

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    This was Kordell

    It was why Kordell was not and never would be a good quarterback
     
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  4. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We Are

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    Ben did this
     
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  5. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Got half a league of them now
    Kordell would fit right in today
     
  6. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    I see this trait in Spencer Rattler too
    Drafted to a sucky team
    Hopefully he gets another chance
     
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  7. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We Are

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    Half of the league doesn’t make the playoffs
     
  8. Steelpens65

    Steelpens65 Well-Known Member

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    Coincidence?
     
  9. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Great big difference in a scrambling Qb, and a Running Qb.
    Example Ben was a scrambling Qb , and never ran the ball more than 52 times in a season.
    Lamar Jackson is a running QB, and never has run for less than a 100 times except last year, and he didn't play all year.
    Mahomes is a scrambling Qb runs an average of 62 times a year.
    Josh Allen is a running Qb, and runs about 116 times a year. Big difference in a scrambling Qb, and a Running Qb.
     
  10. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    This, there is a difference, and some for a crazy reason cannot tell the difference.
    Ben, and Mahomes are scrambling Qbs , they average 60, or less in actual runs.
    Lamar Jackson, and Josh Allen are running Qbs , they average 100 , or more in actual runs.
    Big difference. In a scrambling Qb, and a Running Qb.
     
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  11. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    You can scramble, and not even break the line of scrimmage.
     
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  12. Steeldude

    Steeldude Well-Known Member

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    Define scrambling QB. Scrambling in the pocket? Running beyond the scrimmage line?
     
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  13. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    PFR: Scrambles= "Rushes on plays designed as passes"
     
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  14. forgotten1

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    hmmm.
     
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  15. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Yeah that's not really a scramble.
     
  16. Eichburgh

    Eichburgh Well-Known Member

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    Also hmmm....

    From AI:
    In the NFL, a scramble is an improvised maneuver by a quarterback who leaves the designed pocket—usually under pressure from the defense—to avoid a sack. It is not a planned play, but rather a reactionary, "backyard football" move where the quarterback moves laterally, forward, or backward, looking to either throw the ball to an open receiver or run for yards themselves.
    Here is a breakdown of the definition of scrambling:
    • Improvisation: Unlike a designed run (like a QB draw or bootleg), a scramble is not drawn up in the playbook. The quarterback is creating a new play on the fly, typically because the pass protection has broken down.
    • The "Scramble Drill": When the quarterback breaks the pocket, receivers are trained to abandon their original routes to get open, known as a "scramble drill".
    • Failed vs. Successful Scrambles: According to PFF, a "true scramble" is any attempt by the quarterback to move outside the pocket to avoid pressure, regardless of whether they throw the ball, gain yardage, or are eventually sacked. However, on stat sheets, a scramble that results in a loss or no gain before crossing the line of scrimmage is generally recorded as a sack, while one that crosses the line is a rushing attempt.
    • Goal: The primary goal is to extend the play to find an open receiver, or to gain yardage on the ground as a last resort
     

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  17. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    Regardless of the definition if the same criteria is used for all teams the rankings should be valid. I mean do we expect Stafford or Rodgers to leap up the charts because someone else defines a scramble differently?
     
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  18. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    But makes You wonder at the whole Idea of whomever made the charts. A lot of people try lumping Scrambling Qb with Running Qbs, and they aren't the same.
     
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  19. forgotten1

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    Also HMMM.
    In what weather!?!?!?
    :smiley1:
     
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  20. Steeldude

    Steeldude Well-Known Member

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    Pocket QB > Scrambling(running) QB
     
  21. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    A different look at running and scrambling QBs. This looks at the percentage of times the QB chose to rush on RPOs. Bit of an eye chart at first.

    A few surprises pop up.. Bo Nix would rather throw than run on an RPO and he's a modest scrambler. Familiar names on the opposite; Daniels a scrambler and a rusher on RPOs. Oh, and Rodgers ain't fooling anyone LOL, he isn't gonna run on an RPO.

    (note scramble and RPO runs are separate stats)

    Scramble & RPO Rush % by Quarterback (2).png

    [Data: PFR 2025; min. 20 RPO plays]
     
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  22. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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    5th rounder who plays like a 5th rounder. He's not the brightest bulb in the box. You can count on 4 or 5 head scratching clunker decisions from him per game.
     
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  23. MeanJoeBlue

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    How can it be considered a Run-Pass-Option when it isn't an option for Dak, Tua, and Aaron, who never rush?
     
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  24. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Even the term RPO is used in multiple ways. An RPO does not need to have the QB as a potential runner. An RPO allows the QB to read the ILB(s) and either hand off if they play towards the back of the box or fake the handoff and throw quick over the middle if they are showing that they’re prioritizing the run, and thus likely susceptible to a quick play action pass to the middle. They are also reading the safeties because there are layers to the MOF routes in an effective RPO.
     
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  25. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    SC hater.. lol
     
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