Steelers drama from former players

You can tell how they feel when they say that a girl that like to have sex is slutty. Just because a woman is a freak, and likes it doesn't make her slutty, no more than it makes a man slutty. The problem is they have this fantastic fantasy in thinking women are either super pure, or are slutty. That's not the real world

 

Then what is the point of pointing out the DTF tag or alleging that she went to the bathroom? What is the point of pointing out over and over again that you think she followed him around? What is the point of suggesting a scenario in which she went to the bathroom intending to have sex with him, then changed her mind?

Never mind that none of it matters if she was too drunk to give consent.

 

Wrong again, my friend. A slut is simply a person who has multiple casual sexual partners. If you want to claim I'm being derogatory by using the term, I love the irony coming from someone who assumes Roethlisberger's accuser is a liar just because you don't want to believe he is that bad of a guy.

 

No, it is gross to assume this particular woman is lying.

 

I never said You, but if you feel guilty.
It has nothing to do with Ben. It has to do with what's right, and what's wrong, and how some of you view women.

 

Yet it's easy to assume Ben is??

 

Of course they have. I believe Roethlisberger's other accuser was one of them, but that is because her own friends said she bragged to them about having sex with him when it happened.

There is a hell of a lot of ground between knowing that there are false accusers and assuming that this woman was one when we know Roethlisberger's behavior that night was, at best, scummy.

There is nothing obtuse about my questions. Isn't pointing out the DTF tag and the two groups ending up at the same places multiple times part of your argument that she gave consent? Keep in mind that by all accounts, she drunk to the point that she was incapable of giving consent. That isn't my argument. That is the law.

Then there is the scenario you posted about her going to that bathroom and changing her mind, which then led to him pushing her, which is how she ended up with abrasions. If that happened, you have a man who will assault a woman who denies him sex. I don't know how big she is, but I imagine she was a hell of a lot smaller than Roethlisberger. Are you really certain that a man who assaults a woman who denies her sex, even just a push, wouldn't go farther?

 

He tried to cover up that he had sexual contact with her at first. There were witnesses that point out dirtbag behavior by him and his crew that got her to that bathroom. I don't know if he actually raped her or not, but this assumption that she changed her mind after the fact is problematic, to say the least.

 

I think you may be overestimating the number of friends

 

In the 80s in Newport Beach, the saying was that there were only two kinds of women there. Coke whores and drug sluts. Of course that wasn't true, just the ones we hung out with. Women can be just as big of sexual predators as men, bless them!

 

Double standards

 

I hear ya. As a veteran of years of spring breaks in Mexico I can attest to the fact that all the girls I saw who got drunk and dance on tables at Carlos and Charlies in a dress with no underwear, had sex on the beach with a stranger, went to a whorehouse with their husband to experience a three way, wanted to have sex on a bus stop right on the Malecon, came down from Minnesota with her friend with a box of condoms and weren't going to go back before they went through them all, Participated in the "sexual positions" contest at Valentino's Disco, were all someone's daughters and were probably fine, upstanding members of society at home. The only two who know what really happened in that bathroom in GA are Ben and the girl though, I doubt if either one has a clear memory of that night!

 

Speaking of making **** up, no, it is not a purity test. I couldn't care less if he was pure. There were witnesses who said his guys dragged the drunk girl to him, but you want to ignore that becuase it doesn't fit your chosen narrative. The DA supposedly did consider an illegal imprisonment charge. By the way, there are other stories out there about Roethlisberger being, at best, a creep.

Regarding her being drunk, no, I'm not making a big assumption there. I dug into the information that was released at the time.

Regarding DNA, do you really think every rapist leaves it? In an age when condoms exist? That's funny.

 

Man, you are so far off base it's not even funny. I don't look down on people who sleep around at all. I do look down on people who need their boys, including a 300-plus pound lineman and an off duty state trooper, to drag a drunk girl to a bathroom so they can get some. That is what Roethlisberger did despite being a star quarterback in the NFL. Whether or not he did rape her once she got there is impossible to prove, but his actions that night were creepy as hell and you are defending them.

If you have to make up things about my life to support your argument, that should tell you something about the weakness of your argument.

 

I don't think they do, either. That is because the evidence tells me she was too drunk to give consent.

 

Read the details from the investigation at the time. Roethlisberger didn't even admit to any sexual contact with her at first. Combine that with the witness accounts of him having his boys drag that girl to the bathroom and then guard the door, yeah, I have a hard time buying his version of events.