Who do we trade?

I didn't mention Garrett because we are talking about TJ Watt and specifically talking about chips.

Drama queen much?

I know you don't understand, but TJ Watt is an outside linebacker. Garrett is a defensive end. They play different positions in a different defensive set with different responsibilities and in different defensive systems. They have different skill sets.

Besides the basic chips on Watt, they also line up tight ends outside the right tackle a lot which changes the rush angle. Offenses have just the TE chip or double team, they have just the running back chip, or they use both the tight end and the running back so that sometimes three different players block him, and Watt is trying to figure out who is blocking and who isn't.

Watt drops into coverage more than Garrett does, so there is also that.

Everyone is hoping the new coaching staff can figure out a way to use Watt more effectively and maybe give offenses more things to worry about.

I don't think Watt is done. I think he can still play. We are going to find out unless they trade him.

I'm not definitively saying Watt is going to set the sack record next year. I'm giving an opinion based on what I see.

Please stop saying I'm wrong and unrealistic crap. Nobody knows for sure how this will play out, and you're lying to yourself if you say you do. You don't know.

This whole thing of you saying that you know definitively that Watt is done is just a silly act. Why all the posturing?

 

GEEZZZZ!! Never mind.
I showed stills of Watt getting triple teamed this year in a thread. You are also the person who said we never run stunts with him. LoL

 

congratulations, you found a triple team! Thats a recipe for success. And yeah, thats right, Watt hasnt moved around, successfully stunted, or done much of anything this year except gotten a few opportune sacks and ints.

hes more or less done. At best he can still be a middle of the pack decent edge.

 

i dont think you understand. Edge and DE are more or less the same. Their main purpose is to get to the Qb and set the edge. Watt is even getting into more three point stances than he did before.

So you want to discount Garrets double teams to make your point? Lol. And Then you backtrack and basically agree that Watt is not elite anymore. Ok.

 

Just stop. You're the guy that didn't even know what chipping was and you said you hadn't seen any chipping of TJ Watt all season while watching games! You're hilarious.

I'm not discounting Garrett's double teams. We weren't talking about Garrett or double teams. We were talking about TJ Watt and how often he is chipped by opposing offenses. Stop trying to act like you know what you're talking about to save face. You didn't have a clue.

Secondly, EDGE and DE are two different positions and have different body types and responsibilities based on whether the player is a DE in a 3-4 defense or a 4-3 defense in a base defense. If you knew anything about football, you would know that. You obviously don't.

I don't agree with you about anything. I believe Watt is an elite player until I see his performance drop off significantly when healthy and teams stop blocking him with 2 or 3 players on most passing downs.

All this false bravado from you is really ridiculous.

I said something you didn't agree with in another thread and you asked me "Are you nuts?". That's not a great conversation starter by you.

Then you said some really uninformed things in regard to you not knowing what chipping a pass rusher is in this thread. When I corrected you because you had no knowledge of it while also telling everyone you disagreed with what we were saying, you told us that we are all wrong. You said I was making "stupid accusations".

You get pissed at me and get confrontational for informing you of something that you could have found out in 30 seconds if you took the time to look. Instead, you just ignored what we tried to tell you and then pretended the information a couple of us gave you was wrong. You then get huffy and lie about not knowing because you don't want to look bad for not understanding. Unfortunately, it's a little late for that now.

You are escalating these conversations and then bitching when I tell you something that you openly admitted you didn't know when it comes to chipping TJ Watt when it was brought up.

 

Chipped ham is delicious. We should get some of that.

 

Some here may think that's what the rest of us are talking about.

 

You Have to try the chipped paint
WOOO

 

Someone here may be sampling the lead-based chips.

 

I'm bringing up Garrett as a good comparison to show how Watt has fallen off, since even though you claim to watch the games, you don't really know what you're looking at. Yeah, i called you nuts in that other thread because you were making fun of other posters and acting like a dick. Now your butt hurt and acting like some self-appointed nanny police telling people how they should respond? Screw you *******. Why don't you look at yourself and watch your own behavior before you start throwing your weight around you old fart. Grow the hell up man

 

Here's your quote where you admitted you had no idea how often Watt had been chipped or double teamed.

This after I posted that Watt had more chip blocks against him than any other player.

You even said that you haven't seen that much with those expert trained eyes of yours.

Then I eventually give the number of times Watt was chipped with a link to the official information and you start freaking out and insulting me for pointing it out.

 

Here you are telling me I was acting like a dick.

Here you are again cursing at me, calling me names, and acting like a child.

We were having a conversation until you got pissed because it came out that you had no information that you were basing your opinion of Watt on.

You've exposed yourself as a clown. An uninformed clown.

Next time just listen to what someone is telling you and confirm the information before you get all butt hurt and run around insulting people to protect your pride.

In the end you only look like a whiney little child throwing a tantrum because your daddy told you to stop talking like that.

Need a timeout?

 

I posted that Watt gets chipped more than anyone in the NFL. Then he started responding to that.
He's the guy that made the claim that he didn't see much chipping on Watt happen when he watches the games. What games is he watching???

Now he's all butt hurt because he got called on it after he started insulting me.

You and I were just having a conversation with him.

 

Not trying to down him, he's a fan like us, but some reason he doesn't see these things. He also tried saying Watt never ran stunts. LoL. Hell he has run them many times a game. Even in our last playoff game.

 

DE , and OLB is not the same. That would be like saying a safety, and a CB are the same.

 

WHAT??
WATT DOES HIS OWN STUNTS AND TOMLIN IS THE FALL GUY???

 

Apparently you don't know what a stunt is. I don't like to be mean to other fans because I think of us as brothers, but You need to learn some stuff.

 

Lol, your full of hot air. Your posts are boring and contradictory, they always have been.

alligators mouth and a tadpole's ass. That's you buddy. Let that sink in.

 

No thanks, I really don't need to. No one knows everything. I don't and that's fine. but I know what a stunt is. Maybe you need to learn a few things STD. You seem to think what a DE and Edge do are that different? And you can't see that Watt is declining? That's what puzzles me and you attack my knowledge to try to make your point? C'mon I thought you were better than that.

football is not that complicated, some people on forums like to impress with their discussions of different formations and offensive sets and "systems" like were taking about structural engineering but its really all fluff. There are really only a small handful of basic offensive and defensive sets, even when taking about those different passing formations, its all more or less the same. It comes down to which players can beat their man and make plays. Can Watt beat the tackle in front of him? He used to be able to handle some double teams and a passing hit by a RB was nothing to him before, now he has trouble with a single blocker.

 

No, my friend, for all intents and purposes they are the same. The DE lines up a little closer in with the DT and is in a three-point stance, as opposed to lining up upright like Watt used to do and a little further out, but the DE and edge's primary purpose is the same - get to the QB and set the edge. Arguing about one being in a 4-3 and the other a 3-4 is minor detail in this case - kind of anal to argue about that, like that other poster was doing.


Watt's been getting hit or "chipped" by RB's and TE's on the way to they're routes (or they're half assed attempts to block) for years, he could whiff by those guys like they were almost not there, he just can't do it anymore, is he injured? or is it age? probably both. I hope he gets 10 sacks at least this season. I think that's reasonable.

 

I'll stick with boring and informed. You can stick with puffing out your chest, alligators, and tadpoles. Where the hell do you come up with this stuff?

Wow, an internet tough guy with no real knowledge of the game acting like a know-it-all.

You turn to insults and vulgarity when you don't have answers even though nobody is attacking you.

Let that sink in.

 

According to you, football is a simple game with limited knowledge to play it and understand it.

Your quote "football is not that complicated" couldn't be more wrong.

You obviously didn't play the game, and that's ok, but please stop saying stuff like that. It shows a true lack of understanding of the game. Players wash out of football all the time because they can't process fast enough and make far too many mistakes on the field.

Football at its highest level is incredibly complex, plus it requires processing, instincts, and a ton of film work and repetitions to get it right. When not doing that, they need to work on technique with their legs and feet, and their arms and hands while always working on where their eyes go on every single play based on sets, formations, and personnel. It isn't something everyone can do.

It's a highly specialized sport that requires a lot of mental work that you have to combine with the physical gifts and very hard work to succeed.

 

If football wasn't complicated....then we, as fans, wouldn't waste so much time wringing our hands about coaches and coordinators. Because it would be easy to hire any dude with the basics in hand and it would be fine.

Just sticking to Steelers stuff....we can see that the details and nuances matter. Canada totally failed to be able to understand and communicate those details to his players. He ran all that whiz-bang pre-snap motion and stuff that looked like what successful offenses are doing. Heck, he piled up yards running college offenses. But then he hit the NFL and it crated. Why? Because he, by all accounts, had not mastered the small details. And NFL defenses are too smart and too fast to just run the basics.

Flip over to defense....Butler could scheme up a heck of pass rush. He had LBers wandering into the backfield untouched regularly. Not just defeating their blocking...but having the blockers go the wrong way and just miss a pass rusher. But Butler seemed to struggle in getting other aspects of the defense on point. Austin was kind of the opposite. He had coverages that often produced INTs and took away top options in the passing game but struggled to get pass rushers free and keep coverages together against TEs and slot WRs. Clearly, the details must matter or their wouldn't be so much variation.

 

LoL. Talking to you is like clapping with one hand.
It's OK to say , I don't know something. You can't learn anything if you think you know everything. Maybe this is why you said Watt never runs stunts.
I , and others have given all kinds of proof to the things we have said, you have given harsh words, and not much of anything else.
Does this mean Watt will be better next year?? We don't know anything for a fact, but I do know there is a difference between a DE, and OLB, and I know what a stunt is, you know that thing you said Watt never runs. LoL.
You clearly don't watch games, or You don't understand what you are seeing. It's OK. Take Care

 

Exactly. And also... 3-4 OLB is totally different than a 4-3 OLB.

I've been wanting Steelers to return to 4-3, since it's easier to find DE's for 4-3 from college than it is to find 3-4 OLBs.