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Andy Weidl

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Feb 1, 2024.

  1. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    He’s an old timer and a lot more optimistic than me. Even he has 0 hope at this point. I call it the “Tomlin” effect.
     
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  2. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We want in so we can bark to go out again

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    Love him as long as you can
     
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  3. Thor

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    Sure, I think he should get credit for that. One of the big bones I have with Meyer is the inconsistency, along with a lack of notable progress in the unit as more talent has been added. I don't see the needle being pushed.

    And while Cook is doing well, he's also a guy they released previously and was fourth (I think) on the depth chart when he got this chance.

    I don't blame Meyer for all of that, but as the closest coach to that room I would think he had input on whether guys like Cook couldn't have been kept closer to the fold.
     
  4. Thor

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    At this risk of sounding fatalist, I should add that replacing Meyer is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic at this point to me. I think Tomlin needs to go, and his successor can restock the pantry with coordinators and coaches. Having Tomlin make a sacrificial lamb out of someone on the current staff and then hire his mediocre replacement is a movie we've seen enough already.

    I've soured on Khan as this year has progressed as well. I had faith when they dealt Pickens that they had seem something in Austin and/or Wilson. Not only has that not happened, but Wilson has hardly seen the field. They invested $50M in Freiermuth a couple of years ago and hardly use him, even though his efficiency metrics haven't declined.

    At the very least they could've fallen back on the Wilsons, Austins (when healthy), and Freiermuths when the immature receiver they acquired to replace another immature receiver got suspended, but instead they fell back on older vets scooped off the waiver wire in the second half of the season.

    There's doesn't seem to be a united focus across the levels right now.
     
  5. doubleyoi

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    They value experience and versatility in backup lineman which is why they signed Peat, with experience at G/T. Not sure how they felt about Cook at guard. But they definitely valued Spencer, Calvin, and McCollum all who have experience and likely considered more versatile as backups.

    If anything I give Cook credit for making the best of the opportunity. He has increased his value in the league tremendously.
     
  6. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    We used to get so pumped for these games. This is why I’m so jaded. We get together and go home by halftime. The Tomlin effect man.
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Is Muth and Wilsons playing time Khans fault though? He can only acquire the talent, cant force the coaches to play them. Makes me wonder at least with Wilson if there was a disconnect on drafting him between Tomlin and Khan. I just find it hard to believe the guy cant learn a playbook and the nuances of changing plays at the los.

    Agree 100% on Pickens though. A true #2 should have been brought in, inexcusable for this to happen two years in a row.
     
  8. S.T.D

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    Muth has 49 targets
    Washington has 43 targets
    J. Smith has 52 targets.
    I would say they are trying to work all the TEs.
     
  9. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We want in so we can bark to go out again

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    My dad and I always stayed until 0:00

    Tomlin had nothing to do with it
     
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  10. Karl

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    DJ must be a young dude, he doesn't remember the days before Noll... those days were tough man.... and then later with Noll at the end - Not as bad but tough.
    I had to suffer Washington where seasons were over by week 4. Talk about miserable.

    I've only left a few games a little early, usually the earliest was about start of the 4th QTR.
    With Big Ben, things could change.
     
  11. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    What is Muths playing time in the last month or two though, thats when his snap count drop significantly.
     
  12. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    Tomlin wasn’t the HC during the American Revolution.
     
  13. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    Im not that young. This **** with MT is insufferable.
     
  14. Thor

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    Not specifically. I just meant if I'm Khan, in charge of talent acquisition and development, I'm going to make damn sure Tomlin and Co. know what they need, especially after last year. If the coaches said they were good and then proceeded not play the guys they were 'good' with it's not necessarily Khan's fault, but it points to a larger organizational issue.

    I'm just trying to placate those that think everybody gangs up on Tomlin for all the warts, by pointing out that others play a part as well.
     
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  15. AskQuestionsLater

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    Sure as hell doesn't. If anything, one can argue it hasn't been since last season. Given all the noise that the FO and the team made about making a big move at the trade deadline then, nothing materialized. Now granted, Brandon Aiyuk is basically done but hindsight is easy to use as a cop out here.
     
  16. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We want in so we can bark to go out again

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    That was Old George

    He was a good coach
     
  17. Karl

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    Pittsburgh is just one of those franchises that need to do a serious self-evaluation from the top down.

    The Front Office
    It's no secret, I think Oar is way overrated. At best he is mediocre.
    Wiedl is one I suspect is the brains of the player acquisitions.
    The Problem: I just don't think the balance of power is right and they consistently fail to make the impact moves that can impact the product on the field.
    I do recognize that you just can't go sign anyone. There has to be system of checks and balances.
    It almost seems like coaching and player acquisition is not talking with each other.

    Coaching.
    Why is it that Tomlin consistently passes over potential upgrade coaches?
    If you build excellent staffs, your job becomes much easier. Is it Tomlin or is it the front office?
    Also, it does pay to change out your coordinators from time to time, you don't want a stale system. Or at the very least know when improvements can be made.
    Initially, I thought Tomlin would be open to bringing in such upgrades as in when some staffs get fired, there is usually some staff in the mix that could help.
    Sometimes you can even pick off staffs that are going to the playoffs to inject new blood into your system.

    Of course, you have to let them do what they do to be successful.

    Pittsburgh is not Cleveland.
    Cleveland just does the most stupid thing, always.
    There are other teams like the Raiders that do same.

    Mr. Rooney just seem to follow the course of the formula from the 70's before Free Agency changed the landscape.
    The Salary Cap did not exist, and you could hold on to your aging stars out of loyalty.
    Now days you must balance your roster allocations and determine playing life cycles for players, and time when it's time to let go.
    You have to have a sense of timing for when it's time to go all in and make daring moves to get you to that next rung.
    Mostly, 'just honoring and contract' isn't vouge anymore. You hate to fire people but as in Matt Canada's case, there is no way he should have ever been anything but an assistant.

    To me, the QB and WR situation is a disaster, an epic failure and heads should roll just for that.
    It is understood that finding a franchise QB is no easy task.. You did sign a Hall of Famer but at the very end of his career.
    Howard remains an unknow but just going off his college days and evaluations, it looks like we may have a player that could develop into a decent 2nd QB.

    Every team faces the same scenario, some will act on it, other will sit on their hands.
     
  18. Bubbahotep

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    With ATL firing their GM look for them to pilfer Weidl. It would be a tough loss because the Steelers' drafts have improved with him on staff.
     
  19. Blast Furnace

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    As the assistant GM I’m hoping he is committed to building a winning roster here first before moving on.

    He seems like the type that once he starts a job he sees it through. At least thats what I am pinning my hopes on.

    IIRC, he took no GM interviews last season and Im sure he must have had inquiries.
     
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  20. Bubbahotep

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    I here ya.... But Blank has the milli...er, billions for a staff. I'm sure doubling Weidl's salary might bring him into the room for a conversation.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

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    That would suck.
     
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  22. AskQuestionsLater

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    Biggest issue currently for Andy Weidl is who is he gonna select from this current Field of Head Coaching Candidates assuming he goes. Kline Kubiak and Chris Shula are at the top of the list but Kevin Stefanski isn't a bad pick either. Even if he was to go to the Falcons, that opens up another can of worms; specifically with Michael Penix's Supermarket Store list of injuries.


    Not saying he still wouldn't be up to the challenge. Just stating that there could be other options soon. Him jumping ship now would be hasty at best and disorganized at worst on his part. More GM Openings soon I would imagine.


    I know one thing; he isn't touching Tennessee. I asked Ran Carthon about the experience and he couldn't reply in time. Dude was ran outta there.
     

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