1. Hi Guest, Registrations are now open. See you on the inside.
    Dismiss Notice

Declining Najees 5th looks even better

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jul 22, 2025.

  1. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

    26,318
    4,342
    Dec 18, 2016
    The running game was far worse. The total yardage was skewed by the one long catch-and-run by Warren, but more importantly, the touches were split among three backs the first two games in 2024. That is what made your number misleading. You prefer to ignore the valid comparison, which is the top three backs, because it ruins your misleading statistic.
     
  2. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

    26,318
    4,342
    Dec 18, 2016
    Please don't move the goalposts like that. Your claim that his Achilles tendon had to be a ticking time bomb for it to rupture like that is false. You brought your opinion. I sought out the opinion of an expert, which proved your claim incorrect.

    To address your point after you moved the goalposts, the entire circumstances would be different. Perhaps he would have still ruptured it at some point, but that is in on way guaranteed. Your assumption otherwise does not hold up.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

    45,273
    10,498
    Oct 16, 2011
    FFS scribe Im comparing the direct tandem of both and provided the results. The all purpose yards is more for Warren and Gainwell than Warren and Harris. Only you would try to argue against that.

    “Hey Scribe theres a cow”

    “No Blast, thats not a cow because in China at midnight under a blood moon it looks like a zebra. So you’re wrong, it’s not a cow.”

    Find a new doctor. Achilles that rupture like that is often from degradation and fatigue. Also could be a genetic predisposition. That was going to happen no matter where he was.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  4. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Life is good

    35,104
    12,464
    Oct 26, 2011
    Strangely enough another highly respected poster just yesterday said almost the same thing ;)

    Maybe there is some truth to this hypothesis
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

    26,318
    4,342
    Dec 18, 2016
    Hmmmm. Rando on a message board or surgeon who specializes in treating foot ailments. I wonder whose opinion we should trust. Such a tough decision.:roflmao:

    Yes, I understand that you prefer to use the misleading an incomplete comparison rather than the valid one. The Steelers were splitting touches among three backs during those first two games of the 2024 season, not two. The accurate comparison would be to include the top three backs from both seasons, not the top two.

    Let's try it your way, but I'll actually reflect your point of view honestly, which you did not do with mine.

    Imagine we both own butcher shops that sell the meat from those cows. I have three butchers working and sell $5,000 worth of meat in two days. You have three butchers and sell $4,500 worth of meat in two days. Now imagine your two best butchers accounted for $4,400 and my two best accounted for $4,300. Which shop brought in more money?
     
  6. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

    40,107
    10,487
    Dec 23, 2020
    Want me to answer this math problem??
     
  7. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

    26,318
    4,342
    Dec 18, 2016
    Sure, but be careful. It's a trick question.
     
    • Hilarious Hilarious x 1
  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

    45,273
    10,498
    Oct 16, 2011
    You think you are the only one that knows doctors :lolol:

    Difference being is the doctor I know isnt a professional relationship but a friendship.

    What I posted about degradation and fatigue wasn’t in any way inaccurate. Maybe you only heard what you wanted to hear from your doctor.

    But you do you scribe, reconcile however you need to make yourself feel better that Steelers disagreed with you about Harris.
     
  9. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

    45,273
    10,498
    Oct 16, 2011
    Theres nothing to solve, the answer was given in the beginning, his shop sold 5k and mine 4.5k, everything else after that is noise. His shop sold more.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  10. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

    26,318
    4,342
    Dec 18, 2016
    Now you know about my relationship with my surgeon. Man, you claim to know all sorts of stuff.

    Funny how you suddenly have an expert after I buried your argument with my expert told me, but of course, it couldn't possibly be you who only heard what you want to hear. lol

    The truth it could have been degradation and fatigue or it could have been a freak injury. The difference here is I know enough to realize either are possible.

    I'm not the one who dismissed wear and tear as a factor in the team moving on from Harris, but changed his mind the moment he got hurt. That was you.
     
  11. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

    8,078
    1,948
    Sep 9, 2013
    That's not true. Teams were definitely considering Dickerson in the first. We certainly were with the fact that we visited with him at his pro day. The only reason that he was even borderline was because there were questions about some injuries in college, particularly a torn ACL. He was ultimately taken with the 5th pick in the second round, but he was definitely considered a first round worthy talent. Eichenberg less so, but he still would have been a solid enough pick at the end of the first round.

    Fortunately for Dickerson, his injury history hasn't shown so far in his professional career. He's also been a 3 time PB player in his 4 year career (5th year this year). It was clearly a better pick in hindsight, though it's easy to say that now.
     
  12. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Life is good

    35,104
    12,464
    Oct 26, 2011
    I do
     
    • Hilarious Hilarious x 1
  13. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

    35,562
    8,829
    Nov 14, 2011
    They were at that Pro Day to see Najee not Dickerson :shrug:
     
  14. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

    8,078
    1,948
    Sep 9, 2013
    Not necessarily OT's, but we could have gotten a heck of a guard in Dickerson.
     
  15. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

    8,078
    1,948
    Sep 9, 2013
    They literally had a meeting with Dickerson... I get that there is more than one NFL caliber player at an Alabama pro day lol

    Proof that I'm not wrong
     
  16. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

    35,562
    8,829
    Nov 14, 2011
    I don't think they really considered Dickerson in the first round not with his injury history, this was after Art ll wanted them to fix the running game so they drafted a productive college RB.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  17. forgotten1

    forgotten1 Well-Known Member

    9,256
    2,393
    Mar 4, 2022
    True.
    After two days though 1 butcher shop will continue to sell more because the other butcher is an ass.
     
    • Hilarious Hilarious x 1
  18. NorthernBlitz

    NorthernBlitz Well-Known Member

    124
    44
    Sep 5, 2025
    IMO this seems especially likely in a case like Najee's where it ruptured in a very normal situation (e.g. not some kind of crazy contact or something).

    It wasn't some violent trauma that caused it to snap.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Life is good

    35,104
    12,464
    Oct 26, 2011
    It was pretty basic for most of us

    Apparently someone thought it was a trick question

    English teacher vs math teacher I suppose

    But somehow I see the potential for debate ;)
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

    45,273
    10,498
    Oct 16, 2011
    Actually he’s a heart surgeon, children’s cardiologist but I still trust him more than your doctor. Keep telling yourself that Najee wouldn’t have gotten hurt if that makes you feel better :lolol:
     
    • Like Like x 1
  21. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

    40,107
    10,487
    Dec 23, 2020
    It wasn't much of one.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  22. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Life is good

    35,104
    12,464
    Oct 26, 2011
    It was for one poster :shrug:
     
    • Hilarious Hilarious x 1
  23. SGSteeler

    SGSteeler Well-Known Member

    8,078
    1,948
    Sep 9, 2013
    I mean, it is hard to tell for sure how much we were really considering him.... but he was considered a consensus first round talent. He only dropped out of the first because of his injury that final year.

    In hindsight, we should've done things a bit different. We let Conner walk and drafted a RB. Had we kept Conner and drafted the OL things might've turned out better. Harris was far from a bust, but he wasn't better than the guy we let walk. With the state that our OL has been in for a bit, the yearly PB guard would've been a great addition (though we compounded our error and mismanaged a good guard in Kevin Dotson by playing him on the wrong side of the ball for whatever reason).
     
  24. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

    35,562
    8,829
    Nov 14, 2011
    Conner couldn't stay healthy most of the local media was surprised when the Steelers didn't pick up Najee's 5th year option.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  25. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Life is good

    35,104
    12,464
    Oct 26, 2011
    And most of the local media were wrong
     

Share This Page

Welcome to the ultimate resource for Steelers fans. Sign Up Here!