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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Bubbahotep, Sep 15, 2025 at 6:36 AM.

  1. Karl

    Karl Well-Known Member

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    I don't think Warren is a bell cow back.
    Love his heart and that effort.
    But I think this offense, especially under Smith, needs to pound that ball behind a stud bull and then strike with Warren.
    That's going to make passing so much more easy.

    But......... the offensive line needs to block.
    Damn the details.
     
  2. Formerscribe

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    They did throw to Washington in the end zone. That was the two-point conversion.

    The play call was not the problem on the throw into the end zone. The problem was Austin robbing his own teammate of a touchdown.
     
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  3. Formerscribe

    Formerscribe Well-Known Member

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    Also, they don't have a bell cow back. They had one, but they decided to be cheap and end up pairing Gainwell with Warren instead. Whoops.
     
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  4. Formerscribe

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    I would love that and I was happy to see him take on a bigger load and play well Sunday, but he's got a long way to go to match the sort of production Kamara did from day one in the NFL.
     
  5. Karl

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    I don't lament for Harris, though I do give him credit and hope he has a great season with the Chargers.
    But I think they should focus on one, and design their game plan to utilize such a threat.
    I'm looking over at the Bills and Cook is a really good addition for them.
     
  6. thorn058

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    Do you feel the amount of time spent working on it prior to the start of the season is equally represented by how many snaps Washington has seen through two games? Keep in mind I didn't have anything against the playcall that landed Austin in the doghouse, I just hate to see the team wasting time on practicing plays that may never be called.
     
  7. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Fair enough, my point is it's not just the RBs the OL doesn't block good enough no matter who the RB is.
     
  8. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I was told somewhere earlier, You would have to take his biggest run, and reception out for a true evaluation. LoL
     
  9. S.T.D

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    Washington has played quite a few snaps for 2 games. He can't always go out on routes because of the OL needing help.
     
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  10. Formerscribe

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    My biggest problem with moving on from Harris was that it was clear they would have many positions to address for 2025. They could have had the backfield settled well enough to focus on issues elsewhere. Instead, they ended up spending a third-round pick on Johnson and the still don't have a viable replacement for Harris. The issue isn't whether or not Warren can perform. It is that they need another back and so far, that has left them wasting far too many snaps and touches on Gainwell. Harris was also a better complement for Warren. They could have had them splitting the carries on early downs, then keeping Warren as the third-down back, where he excels.
     
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  11. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Life is good

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    Steelers had a high level of success with the two point conversion with Plaxico.

    Not so much since then.

    I think Washington could be good in this role.
     
  12. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Life is good

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    I said that

    I was naturally correct

    You also have to toss out the lowest

    But you do have to have a large enough sample size

    And I don’t believe we were discussing receiving because the sample size is inherently small

    Now if a guy runs say 14 times then yes this is a proper statistical evaluation pole

    A trimmed mean, or truncated mean, is a statistical measure of central tendency that calculates the mean after discarding a fixed percentage of the highest and lowest values in a dataset. This process removes the influence of outliers and extreme values, providing a more robust and accurate representation of the typical values within the remaining data.
     
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  13. thorn058

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    I go back to the tipping your hand theory on this. Every tall receiver they have had since Burress they had tried to make them the mismatch target in the red zone. Claypool, Pickens, Ebron, Bryant and so on. They practice the fade in the end zone and cover it with the media and then when they run it, its is ineffectual because the other teams know it. Same reason having a pass catching TE and a blocking TE doesn't work because they know unless its a rare occasion ones gonna block and the other is going to run a route.
     
  14. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Life is good

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    I agree with the TE part

    But they made it work with Buress so tipping your hand was not a factor

    I believe Washington could possibly do the same

    If they double him up then someone else is open

    And double him up with who 2 midget DB’s
     
  15. HeinzMustard

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    Game Positives. Steelers have a really good kicker. Steelers have a good punter.

    That's all I can think of at the moment.
     
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  16. Karl

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    I do agree.
    A 5th year option was not going to make or break this team.
    Harris is a good receiver out of the backfield as well.
    The set where Harris and Warren are in the backfield was pretty good. Either can catch, Warren does have the big gain ability and Harris can move the chains.
    It could have bought us some time.
    I might be off but I think the only good thing about Harris ordeal is that maybe we get a comp pick.

    This is a trigger subject for me, I am not a Omar fan by any stretch of the imagination.
     
  17. Formerscribe

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    So many people here get caught up in either Warren or Harris. The answer was both, but the Steelers screwed that up, so I guess it is a trigger for me as well.
     
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  18. Karl

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    Those 2 produced 1500 yards on the ground and 593 via the air. That's 2000 yards.
    I never understood that logic either.

    The run game only produced 7TDs which is bad. Harris had 6 which led the team and is far from what would be expected.
    There's the conceived rub if you do not factor in a total offense that only produced 3,607 passing and 2,166 rushing.

    Facts are facts, Pittsburgh has not been explosive on offense in some time.
    The Defense is falling from grace as TJ and Cam are getting older.
    Overall, I think the Front Office gets way too much credit. They are not finding impact players that impact the game but rather collecting a pile of blue collar guys.
    There I go again..... it is a trigger.
     
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  19. Busman

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    Right I forgot about it. I was only speaking of his rushing.
     
  20. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    Harris was the anti-explosive RB. Hence why he wasn't retained.

    And I disagree on good receiver. Yea, he could catch the ball most times but there's another part to receiving. Look at the top paid RBs and you'll see a common trait.

    Damn it. There ya go making me turn this positive thread into a negative.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

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    In the comments :eek:
     
  22. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Harris wasnt an efficient RB. Steelers probably felt Johnson could give them what Najee did and at a cheaper cost. Too early to say whether that strategy pays off or not.

    The other part of the equation is they wanted to elevate Warren and make him a bigger part of the offense. Tomlin talked about needing to get more chunk plays and Warren gives them that. Taking more work away from Harris than they already have probably would not have sat well with Harris, especially in a contract year.
     
  23. doubleyoi

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  24. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    Agree. Harris' game was based on volume. Warren already beat Harris' longest career run in his first year as lead back.
     
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  25. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    That wasn't a run it was a pass.
     

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