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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by blackandgoldpatrol, Jun 30, 2025.

  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Why are you making stuff up??
    Can You not make a point without doing that. I like You Knox, but wow.
    I can make a list of players that are better here than they were before they got here, and a list of players who were worse after they left, to everyone you actually say. Hell I could just use last year for this.
     
  2. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Yeah whatever you say. Nope, if You speak, so shall I.
     
  3. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Ok so the trend is Mahomes wins a lot of SBs, the Eagles , and the 49ers like to go to a lot of SBs, the Ravens, and the Bill and Lions always look like SB contender, until they aren't......so everyone stop trying, because that is the trend, and nothing else can happen. Do I understand that right???
     
  4. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Stay on topic, I didn’t mention Tomlins record or say anything about the regular season not mattering. We are talking about how to find a successor for when you have a franchise QB still playing.

    The difference between you mentioning Bens 33 TD’s and me citing Jacksons is Jackson gets knocked for not being a good passer of the football. He clearly blew up that narrative last season. Same reason I didn’t mention his fumbles which I don’t even know how many he had but again I was focusing on his ability to play QB and not just run the football. He threw four freaking interceptions for the season, not bad for a guy who supposedly can’t pass. His year was also better than Bens 33 TD season you keep mentioning. Ben was 36 that year, Jackson is just 28 with his best football ahead of him if last season was anything to go by. Yeah, how awful to have that at QB. Would gladly have forgone Bens last 2 seasons for that.
     
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  5. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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  6. S.T.D

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    You brought up regular season stats. So You would have told our HOF, two time winning SB champion to kick rocks , for a Qb that has won nothing outside of the regular season????
    Hell I know You would, I can clearly remember You saying you'd take Dak Prescott over him those last years.....how's that looking now???
     
  7. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I seem to remember you telling me a running QB wouldn’t win a SB. We’re just talking man, why do you always make things personal when people don’t see things your way.

    Yes, I’d move on from our HOF two time winning SB QB to secure our future. Don’t let your heart get in the way of making sound business decisions my friend.

    Theres no argument to make anymore that Jackson isn’t a top QB in the league, it’s obvious he is. The only argument to make is whether this coaching staff could have developed him the same as Baltimore did.
     
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  8. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    Everything in the world is not binary. It's not about winning or stopping. It's about when there's little progress to the goal then you make changes. Players, coaches..it's all on the table. Philly has turned over the entire coaching staff in the last few years. Ravens have had multiple DCs and OCs. Reid runs the show in KC but has an excellent coaching staff.
     
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  9. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    You can’t win a SB if you can’t win playoff games

    It’s really that simple

    The Steelers can’t win a playoff game
     
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  10. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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  11. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Progress would be nice

    I think that is what most of us are looking for
     
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  12. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Ben was still pretty good back then so I can't fault them for not taking a QB in the first round. If Baltimore was so sure of Lamar, they would've drafted him with their earlier first round pick instead of that TE that year.
     
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  13. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    Bingo! Give this man a Beer.
     
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  14. KnoxVegasSteel

    KnoxVegasSteel Well-Known Member

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    He's already had too many.
     
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  15. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Hey

    I want the beer
     
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  16. S.T.D

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    You can't win a playoff game if You can't get there, it's really that simple, and You don't stack playoff wins , and then make a SB, someone that has watched as long as you have knows this.
    You can go one year , and not win a playoff game, and go back the next year, and make the SB. You can also go to the AFC, or NFC championship back to back years, and still never make the SB, but You already know this.
    Hell You can go to the SB 4 times straight, and not win one. If the playoffs were a stepping stone this rendition of the Ravens, and the Bills would have been in the SB already, as the Lion, and Green Bay. Hell some teams like Green Bay after they won the SB, they have won at least one playoff game every year for 10 years straight, and never again made the SB . There is no magical way. First, and foremost, You must make the playoffs, after that, anything can , and has happened.
     
  17. S.T.D

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    Why are you allowing it to be personal??
    What did I say personal???
    You did say that you would trade Ben for Dak Prescott, we had a big discussion over it. Would You still??? I don't think so....What I'm try to point out is not to make hasty decisions. What if Lamar Jackson never makes a SB, would it have then been worth it to kick our two time SB champion Qb to the curb two years early, and then for what, regular season stats. Yes Lamar is good in the regular season, which I've been told just on this one thread, multiple times means nothing.....so if it means nothing why should it for Lamar Jackson....in the playoffs he's barely average???
    Also don't brag about a running Qb winning a SB, not even 5 running Qbs, because compared to the rest, thats an outlier, and I did say many , many times that eventually the more running Qbs you got in the NFL, they would eventually win one, I've said it many times.
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Why bring up stuff like that if not to try and make a person look bad. Come on man. Not that I am hiding from it, Ben was pretty awful his last season, I still feel Dax was better than that version of Ben. But aside from that, it has nothing to do with the conversation.

    Again, we are talking about the right way to approach replacing your franchise QB. Do you attempt to do it while you still have them on the team or do you wait until they leave. After going through two of these now, I’ll go with the later. Packers do it the right way.

    And I was right about a running QB winning the SB, take the L ;)
     
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  19. S.T.D

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    I was just using it as a reason not to make hasty judgments, You just take what I say too personally. If We had traded for instance Ben away for Dak(yes I know it didn't happen, but that's what our discussion was back then) we would have gotten nothing out of it , except pay a Qb a lot of money. Again I only brought it up to show why people shouldn't make hasty decisions....nothing more, nothing less. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. Also....I don't like the way Green Bay does it, I believe they got lucky once. If this Qb never takes them to a SB, was it worth it, they may could have drafted a player of need , and helped Rodgers get to another SB???? We don't know. Yes it worked for The Farve, Rogers scenario, but it's too early to say it's worked this time.
     
  20. Blast Furnace

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    You wouldn’t be drafting a QB to take Bens job that season, you’d take him with an eye on the future. When your QB is 36, you have to plan for that.

    They took Rudolph in the 3rd that year and Ben threw a fit. He would have melted down had they took one in the first and Im sure they knew that.
     
  21. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    If it nets you a franchise QB, it’s worth it IMO whether you win a SB or not. They didn’t win anymore SB’s with Ben in his last two seasons so what would they have had to lose by attempting to draft his successor. Certainly missing out on Edmunds wouldn’t have mattered.
     
  22. Steel_Elvis

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    Come on man, I don’t want to have to read his straw man argument about female QBs again…
     
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  23. DJ18Baller

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    You’re right anything can happen once you make the playoffs. Like getting beat by 20 plus in the WC round year after year after year….
     
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  24. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    And on a non bye week 62.5% of the games are played on a Sunday
     
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  25. DJ18Baller

    DJ18Baller Well-Known Member

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    And in other news the world is round.
     

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