Players you don't want the Steelers to draft?

No....the 1st thing You should wonder is why nobody that needs Wrs 19 picks ahead of You passed on them. The 2nd thing that You should notice is.....that almost every year ....you have as many 3rd, 4th, and 5th round wrs in the top 25 as You do 1st round wrs. That should tell You something.

 

If any of those 3 dropped to us, they'd be BPA by a mile. You can make a valid argument on the value of WR's, but you can make the same argument for other positions too. Why draft a CB at 20 if 19 other teams passed that guy and plenty of them are CB needy teams? Why take Porter Jr last year when so many CB needy teams took other guys? If you have a guy rated as the BPA and it is somewhat a position of need (WR is at this point), its a no-brainer.

 

Dotson was a position change. He went from LG to RT and probably to a system that fit him better. That is kinda on all the coaches for forcing him out of position. Green had some ok games his rookie year. He had an ok game this past year. His play only "got better" because of how low of expectations we had for his play. He's likely a guy that won't be on an NFL roster in a year or two regardless. Can't fault them for that. The kid just didn't get better.

 

Barton will likely be a first round pick because there are teams that might like him as G, some at C, some maybe even at T. He's experienced and polished on top of being a pretty solid athlete. I don't think JPJ or Frazier are first round guys. They each have enough downfalls at a position that only the most elite prospects slide their way into the back end of the first round. We should have no trouble walking out of the draft with a C we like. If its Barton its in the first, if its Frazier or JPJ it will be in round 2.

 

LoL. Stretching that a bit. A CB is not Dependent on His Qb. A Wrs is. You can be the greatest Wr in the History of the world, and if Your Qb sucks it doesn't matter. Again.....I point to Ben, A. Rodgers, D. Brees, and T. Brady as just examples of Qbs that did great without number 1 drafted Wrs for most of their careers. Like what did Brandon Marshall say to AB after He lost His bet.....You had a HOF Qb, and look what I had.

 

Corners can be dependent on the pass rush though too, right? They can be awesome corners, but its nearly impossible to cover a WR forever in today's NFL. They're just gonna let the WR open at some point. Also corners are far more scheme dependent than WR's.

I get that the QB play has a lot to do with the WR's stats. We only have to look at our own team the last two seasons to see what good WR's look like with garbage QB play. I'm sure your draft board is different, but I have Odunze, Nabers, and especially Harrison Jr. regarded higher than any available CB in the draft. It isn't impossible to believe that if any one of those 3 are available at 20 (never going to happen, much more likely that 0 are available at pick 10) that they are going to be the BPA.

 

CB can be terrible too if the pass rush is awful...RB can be terrible with a terrible offense...ILB can be terrible with a terrible DL,etc.....

 

I do not necessarily disagree, but at what point do you decide you have to move to get your center? Most mocks have both Frazier gone before 51, so to say we should have no trouble walking out of the draft with the C we like is a huge assumption. I personally do not get hung up with taking a guy at 20 that might go 1-8 in the 2nd round. If you find a trading partner you can certainly move down, but by passing the guy you want, then being forced to trade up leaves you at a disadvantage in several different places. Trading up for a C might be correct if a guy falls in the 1st and the value is something you do not want to pass on, but the all the postions we need to fill, I think C is right now the most pressing need, both for current and long term strategy.

 

@S.T.D 's draft order:

20. CB
51. Nickel Corner
84. Slot Corner
98. Blitz CB
119. WR (for the CBs to practice with).
178. trade down for a CB
195. trade up for a CB

 

By 51 (3) if you consider Barton a center. (4 ) by 84.

 

Well, that and getting stabbed.

 

I think Dallas drafts a center Miami, Tampa? Forgot Detroit

 

Kevin Dotson has never played RT.

He played RG for the Steelers his Rookie year. Was moved to LG the next 2 years, and went to the Rams where they moved him back to his natural position of RG. If he had stuck around with Pittsburgh and Pat Meyer he would have been the backup LG last year and out of football this year. Instead, he gets the hell away from Pat Meyer and just signed a $48 million contract to continue to play RG.

 

Players I don't want the Steelers to draft?! They are as follows;


1.) Any WR in Round 1. This includes Adonai Mitchell, Xaiver Worthy and Brian Thomas Jr; someone who I believe will outplay his draft position but not with the Offense the Steelers have constructed.


2.) Tyler Guyton: Yes, yes, he is a Right Tackle but if Dan Moore's progression (or lack thereof) was enough to make you angry, just imagine an athletically supercharged Dan Moore would be; one whom possess similar concerns coming out of college. Guyton has superior athletic gifts that can make Dan Moore green with envy but he is just as raw as Moore was coming out. Given how the Steelers need a BPA that can be a Plug 'n' Play, Guyton does not fit this criteria.


3.) Any EDGE not named Dallas Turner. Jared Verse's lack of a motor scares me way too much, Laiatu Latu's medicals scare me way too much and Chop is too much of a luxury pick.


4.) Zach Frazier. Now, this one here requires context. On the surface, an experienced, tough nosed and relatively athletic Center like Zach sounds like a good fit. Here in lies two problems. One, the Center position simply isn't as highly valued for other teams (though I suspect that this draft and 2025 may change that). For two, Graham Barton and Jackson Powers Johnson are either far superior or superior choices; the former being the most athletic Offensive Center in recent memory and the latter being an All American.


5.) Byron Murphy or Jer'Zahn Newton. Again, on the surface, these two being included doesn't make any sense. For one, Cameron Heyward isn't getting any older and could very well be within his final days as a Steeler. For two, outside of Keeanu Benton and Dean Lowry, there is no other good form of quality depth behind him. For three, DeMarvin Leal has been nothing short of a disaster (though I had feared this would happen during the 2022 NFL draft). Sounds like good investments right?! Well... here in lies the kicker; for the Defense to be dominant, they need the Offense to sustain drives and score points. Both Murphy and Newton are excellent Defensive Tackles... but neither solve the Steelers IOL problem. As such, as crazy as this sounds, this is actually more of a luxury pick than it would be a BPA strategy... unless the board falls a certain way.


6.) Nate Wiggins: Woah, woah, woah everyone!!! Torches and pitchforks down. Allow me to explain here. Wiggins is arguably the best pure cover corner in the class. This, along with the position he plays makes him one of the most enticing options in the class as well. A 4.28 40 carrying a 6'1, now 185lbs frame (previously 173lbs.) Sounds really good right?! Well.., mind you, I did open up my defense in stating he is arguably the best pure cover corner in the class. I did leave out another detail by intention; tackling. Being physical isn't entirely a problem on its own but the lack of basics of tackling is what really hurts Wiggins. Add in the fact that the Steelers already had this supposed problem with Joey Porter Jr a season ago and the team might not want to add another potential Corner who boasts superior cover skills but far inferior run support ability. Yes, yes, I do have him among my big three options but it is very possible that Nate himself may slide into Round 2.


Honorable mention.


Cooper DeJean (position dependent) : A dream for yours truly among others. However, Teryl Austin has shown he just cannot help himself upon moving pieces around the Defense; very much the same vein he has done with Minkah. Let's play Devils Advocate here; suppose the Steelers do draft Cooper. Will Austin incorporate him in the form of a Safety so he can begin to round out his game and talents at other positions naturally?! Or, will Austin just move DeJean around consistently to compensate for the teams lack of back end speed?! My money is on the latter but should Cooper somehow, someway, be the pick, I am hoping it is the latter.

 

I don’t know if he ever played against Ray Lewis.

 

Here find fault with this one.

Last years Pat Meyers was not a good enough coach to make Broderick Jones a starter in the NFL, for a team that desperately needed a starting tackle and had moved up in the draft to get one. Broaderick Jones under Pat Meyer never beat out Dan Moore at the LT position, and it was only Chuks getting on the wrong side of Mike Tomlin, that allowed Broaderick Jones to finally be able to join the 1st team at the end of the year. If Pat Meyer can't develop one of the most NFL ready player's like Broderick Jones, how is he going to develop guys that are making position changes, or players that have very limited college starting experience?

 

Fair enough on Frazier though who knows how the board shapes up. If it does entail to a trade down?!... might as well if all options are off the table at Pick 20. As for Wiggins, I have been on record many times in saying he is Joey Porter Jr. 2.0; for both better and worse. He will need a serious overhaul on tackling as his technique is worse than Joey's was coming out.

 

The WR free agent market is getting crazy out there.

You could save your team $100 million dollars against the Cap for the next 4 years by drafting a WR in round 1, and not by signing a WR to a $120 million contract for the next 4 years.

All the trade talk about Aiyuk, and I see 4 WRs in this years draft that I would take over him. And, that is not even factoring in their rookie salaries compared to Aiyuk's $30 million market value.

 

Very well said and exactly what I've been saying.

If they can trade down and get who they want that'd be great.

No projects. Get the best center. The most glaring need for this team. Don't get the best gaurd and hope he can play center because he played a couple games. Get a damn CENTER.

All the other positions are window dressing at this point and just fun to think about the possibilities until they fill this position imo

Think Pouncey not Greene

 

Means the NFL is trying to promote more points. The new rules, and the rules that seem to come up every time the defense catches up should tell You that. That's all it means, and there is a $hit ton of bad Qbs that need all the help they can get. That's all anything you just said means. Again I ask....when Ben, Brady, Brees, and A. Rodgers were playing.....how many 1st round draft picks did they have to depend on??? Yes Watson, Lamar, and many others need all the help they can get.

 

Well if You want to take it that far....a Wr is 1st dependent on the scheme, then the OL , and then the Qb.

 

See You did the same thing. You taking it too far. I can do the same for Wrs. They are 1st dependent on the scheme, then dependent on the OL, and then dependent on the Qb.

 

I actually like the strategy of just drafting WRs. Unless you get the play, character, and leadership of a Hines Ward let them walk and draft newer talent.

Let someone else pay for their overinflated egos. Put $$$ in other positions. Sorry Pickens.

So I'm good with a 2nd or 3rd round WR. Let them walk after their rookie contract