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Would any of this years top quarterbacks

Discussion in 'The Bill Nunn Draft Room' started by strummerfan, Feb 17, 2022.

  1. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Yeah . Lots of players come through the NFL, and got MVPs, and No SB rings. He has already shown He can't adapt. That's why when He couldn't run anymore.....he couldn't play anymore. We watched Qbs play with worse injuries every year( hell this years playoffs). Do You really want a Qb that has 2 shut it down because he can't cut like a rb???? Not because he couldn't run, but because he couldn't make cuts. There is plenty of video showing him jogging onto ,and off the practice field, but couldn't play on game day....because they knew they were screwed if He couldn't run, and cut at full speed. That's the type of Qb you really want???
     
  2. SGSteeler

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    Yes, I would be fine with a QB like that if he was as good as Lamar is. The problem with him is that his ints were up last season. He was still on pace for 1,000 yards rushing and already had more yards passing this past season than the year before. He was pressed with certain coverages and he struggled. I would expect him to do better against those next season. I'd love a QB that can pass and run. Just like I want RB's that can catch AND run. Sometimes there's more to being a QB than just standing still and throwing it. NFL is changing. It's more than viable to have a QB that has skills with their feet and arm.
     
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  3. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I respectful disagree, but that's cool.
    I keep hearing how much the NFL is changing, but the Qbs winning SBs are still mainly, and more so pocket Qbs.
    No hard feelings. We all have our opinions. :thumbs_up:
     
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  4. Blast Furnace

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    I think Ridder and Strong are second round picks and Willis, Coral, Howel and Pickett all would be first rd picks.

     
  5. SGSteeler

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    Its cool that we disagree. I enjoy the banter anyways.

    The NFL IS changing though, it just doesn't do it overnight. Look at how the passing attack and rules changes over the years has impacted the types of players that play defense. You don't see as many "in the box" safeties, "Big" run stuffing LB's, "space eating" defensive linemen, etc. The guys that are sought after are speedy LB's that can carry LB's and TE's up the field (the TE position and the RB position has changed over the years too), safeties with ball skills who can cover man to man, quicker linemen that can rush the passer from the interior.....

    All you have to do is look at the young crop of successful QB's right now to see that the game is changing at QB. Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts... all these guys are at least 300 yards a year or more rushing. The top QB picks from last year are Lawrence, Fields, and Lance, all who figure to be in the same boat. The top 4-5 Qb's in this year's draft are all guys that can run in some capacity. These guys far out number Joe Burrow and Mac Jones as the lone "statue" pocket passers. These guys just aren't old enough yet... As the Tom Brady's, Aaron Rodgers', and Matt Stafford's leave the game, they are replaced by these younger guys that can run a bit. It will probably take a decade, but its VERY likely that more than half of the QB's winning anything in 2032 are going to be guys that win with their arm AND legs in some capacity. Those are just the types of athletes that play the position nowadays.

    Players will always have to be able to throw at the QB position... the rules favor the passing game too much to not have to be able to exploit them to be successful. However, the shift towards better athletes at the QB position is real, and we are going to see a LOT more of it in the coming years.
     
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  6. mac daddyo

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    Successful? Three of the six you mentioned as successful have losing records. Tons of turnovers and sacks. :cool:
     
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  7. SGSteeler

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    Yes successful, its not even negotiable. A dissenting opinion is laughable. This list is comprised of the most elite QB's under 30 not named Joe Burrow (Hurts is the only one that I wouldn't consider elite of the ones listed). 5 of the 6 mentioned are locks for top 10 QB's in the NFL. All are young and the ones that have losing records are bogged down by losing records in their rookie campaign. All just came off winning seasons.
     
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  8. Blast Furnace

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    I agree with most of what you wrote but Hurts is awful. You can’t not like Malik Willis and think Hurts is good. My fear is Willis will be the next Hurst if I am wrong about his upside.
     
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  9. SGSteeler

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    Hurts threw for nearly 3200 yards in 15 games with 16tds and 9 ints. He added 10 rushing tds on nearly 800 yards. I don't think Hurts is amazing by any means, but he seems to be a pretty solid player in just his second year. Certainly a guy that should be an ok, middling starter moving forward. Poor man's Cam Newton.

    I think Willis has a lot of improving in his game to end up as good as Hurts. TBH they are pretty similar in running style and ability. Willis has better arm talent than Hurts, but he comes out pretty far behind Hurts in overall passing development. Basically I see Willis as a similar prospect to Hurts... Willis may have a higher upside, but a far less chance of reaching his full potential than Hurts has. The reason I don't like the idea of Willis is that I think Tyrod Taylor-Jalen Hurts IS the upside of Willis, not the floor. A lot could go right in his development and he could still end up just a middling starter. IMO Willis has a better chance of being cut by 2026 than he does being a better QB than Jalen Hurts, which is why I hate the idea of us taking him. I would love to have a QB in the vein of Josh Allen or Kyler Murray, I just don't think Willis is going to be good.
     
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  10. mac daddyo

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    would kevin colbert double dip? willis or howell or pickett at 1, and say purdy or kelly or zappe at 4? would it benefit the team to do this for down the road? if haskins or rudolph isn't the answer, since neither are signed past this year. we would have two in the pipeline, one for 4 years and one for 5. learning the offense together. keeping the cost low with both on rookie deals. :cool:
     
  11. S.T.D

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    What??
    You know what I find funny is DJs got us picking M. Willis by moving up, but has M. Willis as His 32nd best player, and not even his 1st best Qb. LoL .
    What sense does that make. So automatically He's saying We will reach. LoL
     
  12. Blast Furnace

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    I watched a lot of Hurts last year, he’s really really awful. Most of the yards came in garbage time and even with that, at 432 attempts, he should have had about a 1,000 more yards.

    I see Willis more as a cross between Jackson and Allen. Willis has a better arm than Hurts, I don’t agree he is behind him in any way coming out.
     
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  13. S.T.D

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    I want 2 say something, but I really thought Hurts should have been a 3rd round pick....So...:shrug:
    If we get M. Willis at the 3rd round I won't complain at all.
     
  14. Blast Furnace

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    3rd rd isn’t going to happen. He won’t be there at 20 so if the Steelers want him, they will need to move up.
     
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  15. Brice

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    Matt Corral meets with the Steelers on opening night and then announces the next morning he will not be throwing at the combine?
     
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  16. mac daddyo

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    high ankle sprain. he suffered that in the bowl game. those can take awhile to heal. he actually had both ankles hurt at one point.:cool:
     
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  17. Steel_Elvis

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    And played pretty well on 2 bad wheels
     
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  18. S.T.D

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    No.
    LoL :lolol:
     
  19. S.T.D

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    Matter of opinion, and it was against My $hit College team. LoL
     
  20. Steel_Elvis

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    Your $hit college team finished as the 21st ranked team in the country, didn’t it?
     
  21. S.T.D

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    Yeah. Still crap. LoL. Can't go 2 the Championship at 21.
    Another thing is. His complete change around from one season to the next scares Me. It's not like Burrows. Average His 1st year with the team... great the next. He(Corral)went from suck to ....pretty ok on the same team He'd been on for 4 years. Burrows has the excuse of completely changing teams at least.:shrug:
    I just think He had a kind of lucky year. That scares Me.
     
  22. Steel_Elvis

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    Statistically in 2020 he was very good in most games. He had 29 TDs and 14 ints, but he had 11 of those 14 ints in 2 games vs. Arkansas and LSU. Other than those 2 games he had 24 TDs and 3 ints. He had a 2 game stretch vs SEC teams where he completed 59 of 66 passes (89.4%) for 925 yards and 10 TDs with zero ints (plus a rushing TD). I haven’t watched those 2 games yet, but I watched his solid games vs Alabama and (I think) Florida, and also watched the 2 high interception games. It was Dr. Jekyll most of the time, and Mr. Hyde for 2 games. I’m not sure how his game will translate to the NFL, but he’s a damn good college QB.
     
  23. S.T.D

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    Ah. It's the Arkansas game I remember naturally.
     
  24. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Oh yeah, he was definitely color blind in that game. He seemed to be trusting himself too much saying “eff it, I can squeeze the ball through those 2 defenders that are less than a foot apart!” I think he learned from it.
     
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