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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by JackAttack 5958, Feb 25, 2022.

  1. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    …with this article!

    https://steelersdepot.com/2022/02/s...b-in-2022-nfl-draft-bleacher-report-believes/

    I’ve read so many articles where the so-called “experts” have the Steelers trading up to draft Malik Willis, Kenny Pickett, Sam Howell, Matt Corral and about every other quarterback coming out this year. The guys making these predictions need to stop posing as draft experts because they’re failing miserably. The Steelers giving up draft capital to move up to draft one of these guys would be an absolutely stupid move! I agree with the article. Stay put, if your quarterback’s there at 20 take him but if not, take the best offensive lineman in a pretty deep class. I really don’t think Colbert wants to go out by making, what would be, the worst move in Steelers draft history by trading up to draft a quarterback.
     
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  2. 86WardsWay

    86WardsWay Well-Known Member

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    If Pickett is available around 14 I'm trying to trade up if I'm the Steelers. Any other QB doesn't seem worth it to me. JMHO.

    Either way, the Steelers won't do much in our conference for the next several seasons without a high caliber QB. I don't want any part of Ridder or Willis. Too much of a gamble against NFL level defenses. Again. JMHO.
     
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  3. Rush2seven

    Rush2seven Well-Known Member

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    Need a dance partner that doesn’t need a qb.

    But I’m not sold on them drafting a qb. Expect them to try to improve OL and DL then go for a vet qb
     
  4. mytake

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    If the Steelers sign a FA QB, say Trubisky, I doubt they draft a QB. If they do not sign a Trubisky-like free agent, then they will draft a QB. It makes no sense to sign a Mason Rudolph-type free agent to compete against Rudolph. And yes, I am saying Trubisky is better than Rudolph. I know it's not a popular opinion, but the Steelers need to draft a QB every year until they find their next franchise QB.
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Whats stupid is not moving up if you think your franchise guy is sitting there.

    What makes the people who don’t think this class is any good think they are so right?

    I would be excited to land either Willis or Coral. I would feel good if they draft Howel or Picket. Would be cautiously optimistic to get Ridder or Strong.

    I don’t think this class is nearly as bad as some make it out to be.
     
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  6. SteelerNole

    SteelerNole Well-Known Member

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    Saw Howell play several times. I don’t think his game translates well to the NFL. Got away with a lot vs. college defenses. Saw Corral and Pickett a couple times. Wouldn’t trade up for either one, but if they were there when it was my pick, I’d think about them. I think if Pickett were at any other school other than Pitt, Steeler fans wouldn’t be as high on him. Never saw Willis, but sounds like a project. I’m leaning more towards getting an established QB and going OL in the draft.
     
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  7. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    So if I say this Qb class is not as good as next year's, and I don't ever get booted off the board, and I comeback later and bring this up......it wouldn't be called revisionist history, or upset anyone???
    If so....I'm telling You this Qb class is not as good as what's coming out next year, and if they could all come out together....all of these guys, but maybe one would be 2nd, or 3rd rounders. JMO
     
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  8. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Knock yourself out, got a long wait though. Especially by your standards, have to wait 6 years of consistently good QB play. Better bookmark this thread!

    And by the way, the “JMO” is key in your post.
     
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  9. jeh1856

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    You are pretty far down the list ;)
     
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  10. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    I have never been an avid draft breakdown guy, I typically wait for Elvis, Mac, or Blast to throw out their dark horse guys and then check on how they are moving up or down and then throw everything out the window when AQL puts his list of prospects that the team sent the full staff to watch. So that being said here is my question.

    Those of you looking at any of the QB's in this year's draft and proposing doing whatever it takes to get one, how are you weighting your choice? The potential to be a legit franchise QB for the next let's say 7 years has got to be fairly low so does that play a bigger role in the choice than say getting a lower risk OL/DL player who will provide a near all pro level for at least the same time frame? If there are several pro ready safeties or shutdown corners in the draft do they rank higher than a QB who maybe eventually the franchise guy?
     
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  11. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    If the FO believes that one of those guys is a future franchise QB I’ve no issue with trading up. I hope they don’t take a punt if they are not relatively sure though.

    Pittsburgh will be a pretty attractive destination for any of the free agent QB’s, they will only need to beat out Haskins and Rudolph to the starting job The Steelers have a good running back, some decent receivers and a good TE. They could improve the OLine significantly (to at least an average unit) in free agency without breaking the bank.
     
  12. jeh1856

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    :smiley1:
     
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  13. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    We shall see. I made it a key in life about 20 years ago 2 never say never.
     
  14. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    I would say since I've been on here I've been pretty good.
    I said take Burrow, Herbert, M. Jones.
    I said Don't take B. Mayfield, S. Darnold, Lamar Jackson, Tua, and J. Rosen.
    I said not sure about J. Allen, and K. Murray.
    Of course all of this must play out still, but that's not 2 bad. No???:shrug:
     
  15. The Sodfather

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    I agree with the OP and the article. I don't think Kenny falls to the Steelers or anywhere close enough that would make the risk of trading up worth it. He'll be gone in the top twelve. Saw a lot of Pickett the last two years and as much as it would be a nice story playing for the Steelers, I'm not sure he's built to take the pounding of NFL defenses. I think he has a good mind for the pro game, but I would honestly feel better if he was a Steeler via a 2nd round pick and that's never going to happen. I think they have plenty of other needs that will stop them from going all in on a franchise QB this season. I say that, and they'll draft Ridder at 20, lol.
     
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  16. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    IMHO, trading UP for any of these guys would be STUPID! We have way too many other holes to fill like OL, DL, ILB, DB to be sacrificing draft capital to go get a marginal or boom or bust quarterback. Now…if Pickett, or Willis or Howell are there at 20, go for it! But DO NOT trade up to grab one of these guys! Fortunately, I think Colbert is smarter than that and will let one of these guys come to him rather than going up and getting them.
     
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  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well you are wrong on Jackson, Allen and Murray and I think Tua will be good but how can you say thats not too bad when they haven’t come close to clearing your 6 year benchmark :lolol:
     
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  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well I think not trading up is STUPID! :beee:

    Seriously though, if the Steelers think one of these guys is the next franchise QB, how do you not trade up. Especially when a QB needy team like the Saints sits 3 spots in front of you.

    If they trade up and are correct in who they pick, is it still stupid?
     
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  19. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    Absolutely, getting your franchise QB trumps everything else, I don’t care how many holes you have, a great QB papers over so many issues. If they believe there is a great QB there they should try to get him. It all depends on their evaluation.
     
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  20. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I just think one of these guys is going to be there at 20. Maybe not Pickett or Willis, but I think there’s a good chance Howell or Corral or Ridder may be. And I really don’t think Pickett or Willis is appreciably better than these guys. Steelers need to sit tight and keep their draft picks. Shoot, I’d rather them consider trading back and picking up an extra pick or two instead of trading up and losing picks. :shrug:
     
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  21. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    It’s too simplistic to just say they should pick whoever is left at 20. The front office will have done extensive research and scouting on all of these guys. They may love one guy and have no interest whatsoever in the others. If they love Willis for example, and they feel they can build their team around him they absolutely should trade up for him. Only the front office will know what grades they have on each player so I’m not saying they should do one thing or another.

    They have money to fill some of the other holes in free agency and loads of options to clear more cap space so I wouldn’t be too worried about trading up. Having depth on your roster won’t matter a damn if you dont have a QB

    I’d agree with you in relation to trading back, if they are not taking a QB they should definitely listen to offers and try to get an extra third or fourth round pick.
     
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  22. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Snoozing

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    And STD tells me to be polite…
     
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  23. S.T.D

    S.T.D Well-Known Member

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    Nothing wrong with being polite. LoL.
    I try 2 be so as much as possible. It was programmed (beaten)LoL ..into Me.
     
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  24. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Exactly, teams have a board they spend all year building. Thats how you draft.
     
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  25. 88Unstoppable82

    88Unstoppable82 Well-Known Member

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    I once posted on a Steelers board at the time leading up to the 1999 draft that I thought Tee Martin would be a good quarterback for us. I also posted leading up to the 2000 draft that they should take Tom Brady (if that board still had its history anywhere, I'd be an internet legend now, but alas...).

    There have been times I've been right and the team has been wrong.
    There have been times I've been wrong and the team has been right.
    There have been times where we've both been right, and times where we've both been wrong.

    The only argument I've ever heard in these debates that is bogus when someone uses it is "The team thinks the same way I do, so that makes me right". No it doesn't. The only thing that ever makes anyone right or wrong is the end result. That's it. So before that comes in, it's just opinion, on EVERYONE's part.

    My OPINION is that I don't see enough of a chance that any of the quarterbacks in the 2022 class will ever be great enough to win a Super Bowl to warrant drafting one of them. But I'm not necessarily right. I certainly don't know that I'm right at this moment in time. But with the only things I have to go on right now, I wouldn't spend a pick on any of them. I also wouldn't take any of the current vet free agents, or invest in a trade for anyone other than Russell Wilson (which I've made clear elsewhere).

    None of that makes me right at this moment in time. If things transpire down the road the way I've laid them out, maybe then I can say that. And if they don't, then I was wrong. But nobody knows either of those right now.
     
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