Doom or Boom Friday

I wrote no such thing. Most players will be forgotten eventually. Dupree isn't headed for Canton. Your vague comment was meaningless.

 

Dupree was very good his last two years on the Steelers I’m surprised by some of the hate. Our defense fell of a cliff once he got hurt, now Bush was already out also so it could have been a compounding situation of course.

Highsmith isn’t nearly as good at holding the run edge and still has alot to prove as a pure pass rusher as well.

 

Nobody's hating on Dupree, just not agreeing with him being the straw that stirred the Steelers defense like some believe.

 

You continue to try to mischaracterize what Dupree did the last two seasons, acting as if teams just decided to let him have a free run at the quarterback all the time and he never generated pressure on his own, which simply isn't true. Then again, you either thought Tyson Alualu missed the final five games of last season or you thought you could lie and say you did and nobody would notice, so we we really shouldn't expect accurate information in your posts.

 

Who wrote that? It certainly wasn't me. If any player deserves that description, it is Watt. More accurately, it was the combination of so many outstanding players in the front seven that made the defense so formidable, but the loss of Dupree was that one more hit the defense couldn't sustain while maintaining a high level of play.

 

What's your take on the state of the defense? Top ten?

 

Thanks. I know hiding behind emojis is as close to an admission of failure as we're going to get out of you, but you did claim that Alualu was out when the defense fell apart those five games at the end with Highsmith starting even though Alualu played in all five of those games.

Seriously, which was it? Were you that clueless about what happened in those games and sloppy enough to post it without checking or did you think nobody would notice the lie?

 

You've got the wrong end of the stick, old boy. You said the D tanked only after Dupree went out, I mentioned that the injuries (including Alualu) had been piling up all year and it wasn't that simple. That's it. I never said what you are saying I said. The fact that you have to create these ridiculous strawmen indicates a lack of confidence in your own argument.

I also pointed out that Dupree was on the field for some of the worst D performances, don't recall you answering that one.

 

So dime has 1 extra CB or you banking of 3 Safeties in nickel?

We can get into having an extra safety instead of a CB for nickel but it's still 5 DBs.

I think Pierre can hit more than 30 easy.

Hilton hit 460 out of 1020 while missing 4 games.

 

A great pass rush gets to the QB in 2 sec.
A bad pass rush gets to a QB in 4 sec.
That is a lot more time to get down the field.

The quicker the pass, for your mitigation techniques, the more people are around the ball.
We can get into the tackling ability but just based on probability....


Id love to see a comparison of sacks to pass D ranking. I'm sure there is a correlation. I didn't look long but...
it's not pass D it is drive efficiency take a look.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/exactly-how-much-does-a-great-pass-rush-hurt-an-offense/

 

Yeah like 16 first round straws.....

 

sure it hurt when dupree went down but every other injury hurt as well and teams just don't attack the weakend teams strength, they attack the weakness. why would highsmith look better then dupree in his rookie year when teams had so many other places to attack this defense without it's best players.

 

I love me a great pass rush, but if I had to choose, I'd take a great secondary first. Too many QBs can escape initial pressure now and make plays downfield. That 2 seconds can turn into 4 and 5 all too easily.

 

Wow. After running from your error for pages, you're going to lie about it. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Yes, they had bad games with Dupree, but the overall numbers with him were far better than without him. He was the one who played games without Alualu, not Highsmith. You can't even get the most basic information right, and even worse, you are trying to lie your way out of it.

 

Teams did take advantage, especially in their pass protection. They focused on everybody else, daring Highsmith to take advantage the way Dupree would have done. That made Highsmith look better than he was, but he still managed only one sack in those five games.

 

Again, 60% of Dupree's pressures were unblocked or clean-up plays. They focussed on everyone else when he was on the field.

Here you go lying again. You should probably watch games and not just look at box scores.

 

Even a great secondary can't cover forever, a good pass rush can make a average secondary look better.

 

it's not only about the sack, pressure makes qbs hurry throws and causes mistakes too. Highsmith was also a rookie. Of course he's not going to play like a guy in the league for 5 years. Still Highsmith had a lot more tackles in his first season, plus a pick in a lot less playing time then dupree got in year one. Even the hurries and pressures and qb hits by Highsmith were near what bud was doing in year 3-4-5.

 

Playing from the “I’m rubber and you’re glue” playbook now? I correctly point out that you are lying, so you make a baseless claim that I’m the one lying.

When I correctly pointed out that the defense fell off significantly after Dupree's injury and backed it up with statistics, your excuses included that they had lost Bush and Alualu. Bush had been gone over a month, so it made little sense to claim that was the difference between the first 11 games and the final five contests. When I correctly pointed out that Alualu played in those final five games, the ones Highsmith started, ducked your error before trying to say that you only meant they had lost him previously. Clearly, you didn't realize Alualu played in those five games. You messed up. Just own it already and move on.

You are also making an argument regarding Highsmith's play the final five games that is misleading at best. Teams were able to pass block the Steelers differently with Dupree gone. That gave Highsmith opportunities that weren't there for Dupree, and even with that advantage, Highsmith still managed just one sack in five games as a starter.

 

I never suggested that Highsmith should play on Dupree's level or that he wasn't better than Dupree had been as a rookie. Some folks are foolishly claiming that Highsmith was the better player in 2020, an argument that deserves all the mockery it gets.

 

Also Vice versa.
That's why we need both.
Here got me worried about the D again.

 

ahhh gotcha. no highsmith was not the better player nor should he have been at this stage of his career. i hope he gets there and becomes even better though. two batmen are better then one.

 

The Steelers had both the last 2 seasons, and won nothing .