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Steelers release DeCastro

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SteelersfaninPhilly, Jun 24, 2021.

  1. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    Most of these guys (OL) have been playing since they were 8 years old,
    they know what needs done.
     
  2. SteelersFanIrl

    SteelersFanIrl Well-Known Member

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    Love Derry Girls, but Father Ted is by far my favourite, it’s absolute gold.

    Lots of Steelers fans in Ireland, NFL is gaining popularity here massively. Time difference is a b***c with late games though.
     
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  3. SteelHack

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    Did you just Goldilocks this thing?

    The Oline and DB are to young

    The Dline is to old

    HACK
     
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  4. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    according to the reports, you'd think the guy could walk on water.:cool:
     
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  5. SteelerGlenn

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    Who Marsh?
     
  6. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I really hope the people who think that our O line will be good in 2021 are right. I really do, because to me that’s the biggest limitation impacting our offense.
    First of all, if you’re bringing back Ben and Juju, and trying to make a legit run, you don’t go to the draft without making a legit move to address either LT or C, which I think are the two most important positions on the O line. Haeg and Finney do not address those positions for anything other than cheap depth. At LT AV was still here and available, and he's a long way from being as bad as some folks out here make him out to be. A neutral source (the quality of which is debatable) is PFF, which graded AV at 74.6 last year, better than any of our other guys who played significant snaps (Chuks 57.5 - yuck, DD 64.1, Feiler 65, Pouncey 60.5, Dotson 66.2). If we couldn’t swing him, another capable LT was available in Charles Leno who signed for 1 year, $4 million with the WTF. There were reasonable options at center as well, including Ted Karras who signed for the Pats at 1 year, $3 million.

    With respect to the draft itself, I probably wouldn’t have needed a day 1 left tackle AND day 1 center because I would have focused on addressing one of those spots. However, one guy who was available when we picked in the first was Liam Eichenberg, who I think is going to be one of those solid 10 year pros, and be a fairly capable LT day one. If we had addressed LT (AV, Leno or someone else), then I would have seriously considered Dickerson in the 1st if the doctors gave the OK. If not, I think Creed Humphrey is another wine of those 10 year starter types who is polished enough do the job on Day 1.

    You asked. I answered.
     
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  7. SteelHack

    SteelHack Well-Known Member

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    I said before the draft... Dickerson and Humprey were the only day 1 starters at C in the draft, and I pimped Green.

    If Green starts I'll be pleasantly surprised.

    I would have taken Harris over all linemen at 24. I truly feel he will be one of those generational backs.

    I really thought AL would be back

    But you think Eichenberg and Humprey are so much better in 2021 than Chuks and a Green or Finney in the middle?

    I am on your side in thinking that they will most likely be better players long term

    But not so much better that it would offset the talent of Harris

    HACK
     
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  8. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Eichenberg isn't a first round type player, neither was Dickerson because of the injuries.
     
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  9. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    We’ll see
     
  10. SteelHack

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    I was not a huge fan of Eisenberg... but even if falls between what your ceiling and what I thought was his floor... he easily should be a 10 year guy in this league.... just maybe not a gold jacket guy

    HACK
     
  11. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I like Harris, but I’m not seeing a generational talent there. A really good 3 down RB, yes. Likely even a multi Pro Bowler if we support him with decent blocking. But I would note that there are many backs in the modern era who have been great performers when the guys up front were capable of doing their jobs consistently. Some of the best running teams of the modern era have relied on committees of solid RBs, not 1 stud. I’m a believer in the committee approach for a position that takes as many hits, and makes as many cuts (knee/ankle strain), as RBs do. To answer your question - yes I think Eichenberg and Humphrey would be materially better up front than Chuks and Finney/Green in 2021. However keep in mind that my approach above would also have been to find a way not to need to draft day 1 started at BOTH LT and C. Under my approach we could have had an affordable, capable LT, drafted Harris in the 1st, and still had Humphrey available in the 2nd. Or alternatively we could have addressed C in free agency and only needed a LT in the draft. In the latter scenario, I would have been working the phones as Darrisaw was falling into the 20’s, but that’s of course very uncertain.

    The team’s current approach to fielding an O line for 2021 is relying on a lot of guys to make significant jumps in maturity and play quality all at the same time. All of that with a new O line coach who so far is saying the right things, but is ultimately very unproven as well. Has anyone ever seen that happen? I don’t want to get all mustardy on everyone and say that we’re doomed, but I’m expecting our offense have some struggles up front that cause us to lose games.
     
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  12. mac daddyo

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    https://www.ajc.com/blog/atlanta-fa...nsive-line-coach-year/Rsh0KKIlTtgdqm8z7MCuRM/

    talks about what morgan did with guys that never started before. nice read. i think between the two they can make this o-line improved over what we had last year. i get they are not first round players across the board as many want but the guys we have all had arrows pointing up and it's a building point. let the process play out. not all first rounders make it. the nfl is a mix of players that surprised many if you dig into it. heck we had 3 starters on the line that were undrafted free agents so it's not a big stretch. :cool:
     
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  13. Maddog78

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    Guys with lockerroom access rarely criticize the team for fear of losing said access.
     
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  14. Maddog78

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    I think Harris could also be very good and it won't matter with all the other holes. RBs don't drive championship teams anymore.

    By the time the Steelers have rebuilt the D, OL, and gotten their next franchise QB, Harris will be slowing down, possibly not a Steeler anymore.
     
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  15. SteelersFanIrl

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    Unfortunately I am pretty much entirely in agreement with your POV and I am really worried that this line is going to be a disaster.

    PFF view in a recent article FWIW, it is very hard to argue with

    Pittsburgh will roll into the 2021 season trying to replace effectively an entire offensive line in one offseason. Some 3,645 snaps from starters last year are gone, and the only player penciled in to start this year who did so a year ago (Chukwuma Okorafor) wasn’t supposed to and only had the job because of an injury to Zach Banner.

    Long-time stalwarts Alejandro Villanueva, Maurkice Pouncey and David DeCastro have all departed, leaving the Steelers to find replacements all in one offseason. Okorafor played all last season but generated a lowly 57.5 overall PFF grade, struggling badly as a run blocker and allowing 26 total pressures in pass protection.

    To be fair to the Steelers, they are simply the victim of circumstances (or at least not thorough long-term planning) with much of the turnover. Pouncey retired, Villanueva departed in free agency and DeCastro needs another surgery to fix a long-term ankle injury that threatened to end his career. It’s not necessarily about blaming the team for the current situation, but rather highlighting how problematic it is. Even if they were replacing all three players with proven commodities, the chances they would jell immediately are slim. Replacing them with the kind of question marks they have in several spots is even riskier.

    The Steelers have Ben Roethlisberger back chasing one more Super Bowl, and they have both the defense and receiving weapons to make that run, but their passing attack may never have the platform it needs with this offensive line. Roethlisberger had an average depth of target of just 7.4 yards last season, ranking 26th in the NFL and coming in as the lowest mark of his career. His big-time throw rate was also well down from his usual number. Those are numbers that have to change for the Pittsburgh offense to get to where it wants to go, and both need a solid offensive line in front of him to do so.
     
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  16. Blast Furnace

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    We’re not trying to get the line into the top 10 in one offseason. We are replacing guys that spearheaded a line that finished dead last in run blocking.

    Get to somewhere in the middle of the pack or even a little south of it and the offense will be fine.
     
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  17. Maddog78

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    Agreed, but to even do that will take a progression most likely. With the 2nd half of the schedule they have, the Steelers really can't afford to spend much time allowing the OL to jell.
     
  18. turtle

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    I liked Liam Eichenberg and thought he'd be a good 1st round pick but really, I just don't think they were going in any other direction than Najee. If he'd had been picked earlier than 24, it would have been interesting to see which way they went due to Colbert's belief in it being a deep OT class.

    I think they filled out the card at the opening whistle. Harris is everything they look for and AR2's directive to fix the run game being a factor as well.
     
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  19. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    3 guys who started and weren't good, as evidenced by the 32nd ranked running game maybe it's a good thing they're gone.
     
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  20. steelersrule6

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    And who would be the Steelers #1 RB, if they drafted Eichenberg in the first round?
     
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  21. Maddog78

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    Trey Sermon.
     
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  22. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    Harris/Freiermuth>Eichenberg/Sermon
     
  23. Hawaii 5-0

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    so?

    1) Liam Eichenberg OT
    2) Creed Humphrey OC
    3) Trey Sermon RB
     
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  24. mac daddyo

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    no TE. that seems to be most peoples problem along with green and moore. i think they did well with who they drafted. solid RB, solid TE, solid center and solid tackle. arrow pointing up for all these guys along with roche. those are 5 solid picks. they don't have to have gold jackets just good solid play over declining players. i think they did that. add turner and it's not near as bad as many are portraying. just uncertainty. we didn't really switch banner from being a starter. he's back where he was. chuks has been being groomed to play for three years. dotson could have played more last year but got valuable playing time as a rookie. coward was a solid pickup for depth. haeg, collins, leglue, and the guy that was our main interior backup finney. coyle and watson are two that they are bringing along similar to AV and feiler. i don't see that much of a problem finding 5 starters and depth amongst this group for a year. :cool:
     
  25. Steel_Elvis

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    I think that the draft was potentially good for 2022 and beyond, my concern is that the overall offseason strategy for the O line does not fit with making a final run in 2021 with Ben. Literally every single 2021 starter on the O line except for Turner has to be the best they’ve ever been at the NFL level, or step onto an NFL field for the first time and hold his own, for our line to simply progress from dismal to mediocre. Saying names like Coyle, Watson, Coward, Collins, Leglue, etc. is just saying names of guys. All 31 other teams have a bunch of camp guys and journeyman backups with names that can be rattled off, but it doesn’t mean that more than a few of them are going to be quality players. It’s funny, but we had one of the worst lines in the league last year, and of out of the 5 guys who logged the most snaps we kept the 2nd worst performer (I think Pouncey was the worst) and moved him to the blind side of our aging QB. That’s the kind of O line that a team in full rebuild mode assembles, not a line that a team assembles when they’re making one last run at glory.
     
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