2021 NFLDraft, Tomlin , Colbert press conferance

Okay, this makes sense now. I think. If your BPA is there for you at 24 and in all likelihood will be there at your next pick, trade back, grab more draft capital, and still get the BPA. Same page?

You've introduced more variables and convoluted the process. I think this gets even further from BPA. Your BPA is always there at your pick, hence "best." As your highest rated players are removed from availability, your board adjusts and BPA changes.

 

Not really.



The BPA remains the same. The only aspect that changes is the options themselves.

 

There is some speculation we would accept a trade with Packers down to 29th spot. If we did and still got Harris, that would be nice.

If the Green Bay Packers want to trade up to target a specific player during Thursday night’s first round, general manager Brian Gutekunst could give a call to Pittsburgh Steelers general manager Kevin Colbert.

Cynthia Frelund of NFL.com envisioned a “win-win” trade scenario where the Packers trade with the Steelers to move up to No. 24, potentially to target a wide receiver.

Frelund’s trade details: The Packers send No. 29 (first round) and No. 92 (third round) to the Steelers for No. 24 (first round) and No. 140 (fourth round).

Frelund believes the Packers would have a much better chance of grabbing a top receiver (Rashod Bateman? Elijah Moore?) by getting to 24th overall and jumping teams such as the Jacksonville Jaguars, Baltimore Ravens and New Orleans Saints at the backend of the first round.

 

Sliding back 5 spots for only a 3rd, seems kinda low value..IMO

 

Yep, that was my immediate thought too, but in that article (I did not cut and paste all) two groups that score trade value of draft picks rank the proposed trade fair/even to both teams in their point system. However, it seems to me the team that wants to move up should have to pay more than just fair value. So yeah, they are not lighting a fire under us with that proposal.

 

Don't forget we're also sending them a 4th. That deal sucks.

 

Agreed. Make that four going back a six and maybe it makes sense.

 

I would take that all day if Najee Harris is gone on one exception. Landon Dickerson who I'm sure they love has the big medical question mark and C isn't a big 1st round target. IF Pittsburgh has done their homework on the medicals and watched him doing cartwheels and squats at Bama's pro day, then gaining an extra 3rd (top 100) would be great to me. Because he's more than likely still there. So you get you're guy at better value (29) and gain an extra 3rd to help ease the abundance of needs on this roster. I don't think you have to give them the 4th in return either. GB's 3rd is at the end of the round, so why give them more? The exception is if the 4th is needed to seal the deal, then yes, GB doesn't give up much.

 

Wasn't it reported recently that ARII made the overriding call on DeCastro?

https://steelersnow.com/art-rooney-...ghtower-pick-to-draft-david-decastro-in-2012/

 

Whats the mystery? Hes a contrite screw up with 1st round QB talent we grabbed out of the bargain bin. If he hasnt gotten his attitude right we toss him back on the trash heap. And weve got 3 other vet QBs on the roster. No brainer to me. Not sure why everyone thinks signing him was some kind of gamble.

 

I agree. That deal calls for the Steelers to part with 784 points in draft value in exchange for 772 from Green Bay.

This proposal has Pittsburgh trading 743.4 points for Green Bay's 772 points. I'd take it (I agree that the onus should be on the team moving up in the first to potentially overpay a bit), don't know that Green Bay would - depends on who they're eyeing at 1.24 and how badly they want him.

 

just a wild guess, but they would trade back if they were better served by doing so.

 

As a straight up trade it really does not seem bad, that is trading 1st's and getting the 3rd, especially with 2 late round picks in the 1st Giving up the 4th makes no sense. Should be able to garner a 6th as well, but I would still take that trade with just getting the 3rd...still a top 100 pick.

 

IMHO, you're not going to find a team willing to do that trade (1.24 for 1.29 + 3.92) unless they're extremely focused on a falling player. In this example it would put GB 32 points in the hole. Equal to a late 4th/early 5th round pick.

 

Maybe, but the Jimmy Johnson point system is really only as good as the guessing game many make in mock drafts. If the buyer wants something bad enough they pay the price. I have no idea if GB would make that deal, but I sure as heck would make sure I came out not giving away picks my team needs. Value of picks in trades really comes down to what a team feels it is worth, I am not going to look at an antiquated points chart for a fair deal, the only fair deal is when I feel I am getting the better deal, trading away one of my 4ths sucks in this proposed deal IMO.

 

I could see it happen if it falls just right and if that article was correct about the Pack targeting two receivers. Say no RB`s have been selected when it`s our turn to pick and one of the two receivers they want is left on the board (better for us if only one). We might roll the dice on trading back (I`m assuming we really want Harris in 1st round).

 

I didn't suggest they give away any picks. I said I didn't see Green Bay trading firsts with the Steelers at a cost of a third unless they were really focused on a player - something you reiterated above with buyers and prices. As far as wanting the better deal, you're not exactly cornering the market there - every other GM wants that as well. That measure isn't just in quantity of picks, but quality, which is were the point system comes in. Antiquated as you feel it may be, it's been through its revisions and is still used by GMs as a general reference today.

That said, I'm not suggesting the Steelers merely accept what somebody maths out from a chart, just what Green Bay might ask for (whether by points or, if you prefer, what they feel the picks are worth). I wouldn't do a fourth - it's too rich straight up, more so in the context of the Packers approaching them. The math shows a fifth balances the equation, but the Steelers don't have one. I'd push the line of offering nothing additional, but would consider adding a sixth or seventh.

 

It's certainly possible - the points just attribute a baseline value; situational factors, gut instincts, etc. can play a role as well.. 32 isn't a huge disparity, and it doesn't hurt that Green Bay has 10 picks going in.

 

This trade scenario is essentially this, we trade down five precious spots in the 1st rd, and in return our late 4th rd pick becomes a late 3rd rd pick.

Nope. If it was a high 3rd, say pick #70, I'd say ok. But for 92, no thanks.

 

The year that Cindy picked the corner that we wanted and we settled for burns. I definitely, would've traded back but I don't think they had any suitors. We don't plan for ... what if's

 

If a player falls to 24 that Teams behind us Love then you can throw that chart out the window...There are 4 or 5 Teams behind us in need of top WR help my big board has Elijah Moore I have him with a top 15 rank and the next WR 35th.. It seems there may be a run on QB'S mix in the top TE and the top OL and boom the 10 to 15 picks gone. Now look at the top CB'S I have 3 maybe even 4 going top 20 ..Then take the top 3 WR'S off the board leaving just Moore with a high grade left at pick 24..

I think someone pulls the trigger on Harris before us as well , I don't think he will have a great career with the Steelers I don't think vision and patience is his best stuff and IMO that's what a RB needs on the Steelers.. So my point is I expect multiple Teams in pursuit of Moore at 24 . Another thought is as a top 15 guy he may be the BPA would the Steelers draft him at 24 if they have him as a top 15 guy ?

 

Too many holes in the roster this year. The draft will not fix the issues. It doesn't matter what happens, Steelers are not going to be as good in 2021 as they were in 2020.

 

Dont you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

Well eh, in defense of Mustard man, every so often we can have a bad year. The stars seem aligned for us to have a bad year.

However, if we did get a top RB and fix the OL significantly in just this years draft, then yeah, upside is possible (better than 9 win projection by experts). That would require one hell of a draft.

 

All the optimists have to do is look at our last 6 games played going 1-5. Obviously, we got serious problems and that 1-5 team is more who we are than the 11-0 team. The O-line and no run game being most obvious.

I think this draft COULD make a huge difference for this season. Some of our bad play was injury related on the defensive side too. Problem for this year is yeah, you patch up the O-line, get a run game going with a young stud RB, get no significant injuries and the defense is good (top 5) and you have one more good year if everything goes right. Then what? Ben is old. Maybe we can do a good repair job, but where we going after that without a franchise QB?

Right now, we have no road back to the Super Bowl IMO. However, we still have a road back to the playoffs (token playoff team level) if most everything goes our way.