Bud Dupree is the perfect candidate for a one-year tag

Yes, he was and they did.

Agreed.

 

Only in your own mind........

 

Did Fackrell play with the same teammates as BD? Did he have the same opportunity as BD? No he didn’t. The fact of the matter is if you compare career years Fackrell put up better numbers than Dupree with less opportunity. Even if somehow you try to downplay the fact he did it in less games....like it’s a bad thing.

 

Go back and read my post latest post. Dupree registered a sack in his first NFL game. He played 26 snaps that day. She he flashed at least once within his first 26 NFL snaps, something Adeniyi has not done even once in 62 snaps.

 

Players earn opportunities. Dupree was good enough to start 55 times so far in the NFL. Fackrell was good enough to start nine times so far. It's not like Fackrell was limited by injury or something. He was available for those games. He just wasn't good enough to start.

 

I didn’t realize sacks told the whole story. Do you realize Dupree’s pressure rate is basically unchanged from previous years?

Edit: He also got 26 snaps in 1 game. Ola averaged 4 snaps per game. OLB is very much like RB where you need to get in a rhythm. Expecting someone to come in cold off the bench and get a spot snap here and there and expect them to flash is unrealistic at best.

 

The investment has a lot to do with the opportunities someone gets. There were plenty of games where he shouldn’t of been starting over JH yet he was and our defense was getting run over and through because of it. BD has been given every opportunity possible to succeed in his career and has only cashed in 20% of the time That by definition is a one year wonder. I’m done arguing. I’ll let the season play out and decide who was right wrong then. This is a waste of time,he’s tagged and nothing we can do about but sit and watch.

 

I don't think that is what the conversation is all about. Nobody is diminishing anything, what the talk is now and has been for months is how we could get very close to the same production at a much lower cost. Frackell is just one name that was mentioned but someone wanted to take that and ride it. The though of how much of a better team we could be without having to tag Bud is where this comes from.

Everyone has their own opinions I am not a Bud fan but he had a very good year. I also think he stunk before that, he had one pass rush move and that was to run wide and down field and come back to the QB. That also opened the inside to the run. You didn't see that last year. I really wish we could see Frackell play in this defense cause I would love to see what he could do with players like we have next to him. Watt being a force on the other side and Cam just being a stud are big factors that some don't want to admit. You put Bud and Frackell side by side and ask me who I would take at the same price I am taking Bud all day, but the price isn't the same. My opinion is with 10 mil freed up whatever the drop off of Frackeel to Bud is we would make up when we streghten the team with like a SS AND Diggers replacement. jmo

 

Oh no you said JH someone is not gonna be happy........

 

There's a good chance Bud will be Woodley 2.0

I'll be the first to tell you "told ya" when he starts stinking up the joint on D.

 

Bud Dupree should by no means be the biggest issue. He finally put it all together after showing flashes and it was well worth the wait in my opinion. The 2018 First Round Picks on this team, or should I say one of, are of another story.



Terrell Edmunds is the one people should be talking about. All the more reason I really hope either Karl Joseph or a draft option early is exercised; whichever comes first. Pittsburgh has already made up their mind about what they think of Minkah Fitzpatrick.



Time for Terrell Edmunds to put up or shut up in 2020. I was, and still am rooting like crazy for him. However, ball skills and instincts are simply aspects that cannot be taught and Minkah has both in spades. Not asking for Minkah level instincts or ball skills but even having very good ones would help.

 

slice and dice it how you want scribe but the numbers are there in black and white. So is the huge difference in money. The production in those first 4 years is very close especially with bud getting so much more playing time, there should be a huge difference and there is not. Bud had one decent year and he should have as a first rd. pick. You are quick to down Edmunds because he was a first rounder and not playing like it. Give him 5 years before you pass judgement then.

 

You are misrepresenting what I posted yet again. Please stop doing that. I said he flashed. Flashing doesn't mean playing well overall. It means making a big play here and there, such as a sack. Adeniyi hasn't done that at all on defense. He has made plays on special teams, but that's it.

That last bit is just an excuse. You keep making excuses for guys who aren't even good enough to get playing time.

Your gotcha failed. Get over it.

 

I'm not the one slicing and dicing anything. I'm the one focusing on the entire picture while the Fackrell faithful keep trying to cherry pick numbers that work for them. Choosing just the four years is doing that. It is dishonest because it is cherry picking statistics that serve one side of the argument, intentionally leaving out Dupree's best season.

I'm down on Edmunds because he shouldn't have been a first-round pick in the first place. I've been writing exactly that since the day he was drafted and unfortunately, he continues to prove me right.

Dupree was a legitimate first-round selection. Everybody had him as a first-rounder. That pedigree is part of the evaluation process, too. Edmunds was a reach and honestly, I wouldn't have as much of an issue with him if the Steelers had taken him in the third round where so many people thought he was going to go.

Edmunds didn't even make big plays his final season in college. He hasn't done it as a pro, either. What he has done is cost the team dearly with his inability to adjust to the ball in flight. If he wasn't the worst starter on that defense, he was a close second to Barron.

 

Bud wants to get paid again in 2021 he will produce and stay in shape

 

Some fans wanted to get rid of Dupree for some scrub named Fackrell , Bud had a breakout season in 2019, he also got better coaching Butler>Porter and they aren't asking Bud and Watt to drop into coverage much anymore.

 

it's your opinion but it doesn't make it right. We or I am using 4 years because that is all Fa ckrell has played. You seem way to one year oriented. My comparison was about tackles sacks and pressures in those 4 years. Nothing dishonest about it. I stated that up front. Those numbers are very similar but bud had more field time and made more money to do the near same. Maybe he didn't start so shame on green bay.

as for edmunds, if you did your research, you would know that originally he was ranked as a third rounder, like many that the talking heads that don't do the research establish early. Then after actually scouting a player many come away with a different veiw. That happens every year guys fall and guys climb the closer it gets to the draft. Edmunds was on the climb before the draft. When you pick towards the bottom of the first, guys ranked in the top of the second come into play as well. Heck bush gave up 5 TDs in the passing game and he cost us 3 picks in the draft. Sure he was a rookie but to you one year is everything.

 

I am not saying he can't do it again I am saying it isn't a guaranteed he will do it again. Please tell me where is the guarantee that we will see the Bud of 2019 and not the Bud of the 4 years before? That is what many of us are saying there is no guarantee we will see the same out of Bud this year just as there is no guarantee if we were to sign a guy like Frackell, Golden, Jenkins, Beasley, Orchard, Correa etc. Go to the Bud/Henry thread for that conversation.

Yeah that is right nobody wants to break up the duo of Watt and Bud but when you are up against the cap and you see a chance to help the team as a whole that is what many of us are saying. By signing a guy cheaper and looking to get close to the same production if not the same or more, we can use the savings to make other parts of our team stronger. All leading to a better team as a whole not at just one position. I get it some here don't feel that way but many here do, it is all a matter of opinion.

 

No it isn't just Frackell there is a long list of names that we would of been happy with as a replacement. You and the others who are saying this are failing to look at it as a whole. This isn't Bud vs Frackell or any other FA it is Bud vs a cheaper FA, keeping guys like Feiler, Hilton, Banner, signing a good FA to replace the loss of Digger, getting a better SS AND not having to do all that by pushing money down the road like we just did with Ben. Hmmm, I am pretty sure I read amny here talk about not doing that maybe you were one IDK. We are now going to take a cap hit of 41 mil just for Ben, add in the others we pushed money down the road with and you will see this is why we are talking about getting a cheaper replacement for Bud. Like I said if money was even it would ne a no brainer we would keep Bud. However it is not and we are up against the cap and we are now kicking that can down the road. For people to not see that well........

 

Bud needs 16 sacks, a few forced fumbles, and a nasty attitude this coming season to make me think he is worth $16mil.

 

It’s not a excuse it’s a fact. Have you ever played sports before? There’s a reason why it’s hard to be a PH in baseball and a reason why it’s hard to come off the bench in basketball or jump in at any sport without getting into a rhythm. How do you explain JH being cut multiple times? You think maybe Ola flashed on STs because he was given more opportunities to do so. It’s common sense. You can’t look at 62 plays and determine whether a guy is good enough or not. There’s a long,long history in sports of athletes starting out slow. Get playing time? Over who? One of the best OLBs in the game and Mr. 20% who has been given every chance under the Sun. You don’t think for a second Dupree has been given such a chance because of where he was drafted and for the GM and HC to save face? I already gave you a example of that when he was playing instead of JH. So JH wasn’t playing hardly at all because he couldn’t or because BD was being given 99% of the opportunities to succeed ,even when he was failing at stopping the run.
There’s a lot of politics that go into sports as well that determines who plays and who doesn’t.

Why is it that you tear apart Edmunds and go on your hindsight rant about when he was selected and they should of taken Leonard all after the fact mind you. Edmunds has been a better player than Dupree when you compare their first 2 seasons. Yet Edmunds is the whipping boy and Dupree gets 5 seasons to get it right?

As far as it being a gotcha moment? Maybe that’s important to you and why you peruse this message board. Just looking for a opportunity to try and trumpet how your opinion is superior to everyone else’s. When in fact it’s not...
In your mind I’m misrepresenting you and I should stop? Or what? You gonna stop responding to me? That’s a clear WIN for me......gotcha!

 

Why is Edmunds on notice? Dupree got 5 years. TE has shown more than BD in their first 2 years and at a harder position to play with more responsibilities and was thrust into his position as a rookie. So people want to bash Edmunds but Dupree is the next LT all of a sudden. By that criteria TE should be Ronnie Lott by year 5. Oh I forgot we passed on Leonard like everyone else so that makes TE a bust....I get it.

 

Couldn't have said it any better and judging by the number of people that gets talked to like this I am sure feel the same way........thank you for posting this and thanks you for the rest of the post. GOTCHA