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Benny Snell Football

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Jan 6, 2020.

  1. The Glory Days

    The Glory Days Well-Known Member

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    So you say. But hey, because you say it, it must be true. Right? Preach on Cookie Cutter.
     
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  2. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Huh? Chubb is a power back, albeit more speed than Snell but I don't see why the comparison can't be made.

    In the couple of games that Snell got a decent amount of carries he nearly topped 100 yards. In year two he should make a nice jump. Let's not make Chubb out to be an all time great RB. He's a power back that doesn't offer much in the way of the passing game. Seems pretty similar to Snell to me.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Hit the hole pretty good here.

     
  4. The Glory Days

    The Glory Days Well-Known Member

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    Chubb was brought up as an example of a dominant rb. The thought is that under the right system and with a solid line and competent qb, Snell could be a dominant back. Just throwing opinions around, obviously. We would need Fuchtnuts to put together a decent system for Snell to run in first. And we all know that ain't gonna happen. ;)
     
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  5. The Glory Days

    The Glory Days Well-Known Member

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    Yup. And that's what could have happened much more often if our OL was consistent. He has enough vision to find the hole and enough pop to get through it.
     
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  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Exactly, lets not forget that the line was below par this year and he still churned out 4.7 ypc and 5.06 ypc in the two he started.
     
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  7. groutbrook

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    Nick Chubb is a power back, and a feature back. In the right system he has all-time RB potential. It's too early to know what Benny Snell is.
     
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  8. Steel Hog

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    Conners body can't take what his mind wants him to. He is not built like a bruiser to absorb hit like Bettis was able to. I don't see him as a feature back for a prolonged period unless he can run like LB. With all of the backs we have there should be enough to start camp and see who the best are for next season. You never know what is out there as UDFA which sometimes we strike pay dirt on- I think Fast Willie was one that turned out ok.
     
  9. Jball

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    I'll say this, is it too much to ask to get a rb that can create space for themselves? Of course you still need a good OL, but there are many rb that can be good running behind a great OL. Right now we don't really have anybody like that.
     
  10. Disco1981

    Disco1981 Well-Known Member

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    Bell didn't get faster, He got shiftier...Bell is slow, still is slow...Go look at his ypc the last 3 years... Slow...Not a run over 20 yards... Slow... I'm not saying Bell is not good, He is/ was...I think he's Toast now... To many carries in a short amount of time * " run his wheels off "!

    Oh, And Snell is slow...Again, Could be a decent back...But slow
     
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  11. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    Yes I know what Chubb is and where did I ever say Chubb was an all time great? Please no need to twist my words. You are comparing a guy who is the teams bell cow who almost ran for 1500 yds to a guy who just broke 100 attempts. Who also is not our #1 back and that right there is my problem. When Snell becomes our #1 back and gets more than 108 carries than we can start talking about how he is out bell cow/power back. You know I loved the Snell pick I am a big fan of his but in an injury riddled season they gave him just 108 carries. I feel he has the potential I just feel he is not getting the usage. jmo
     
  12. NY STEELERFAN

    NY STEELERFAN Well-Known Member

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    Agreed but like I said to Blast they need to get him more carries. It isn't the Steeler way to use a split backfield. Conner is our #1 back and until they show either they are willing to split carries or move on from Conner MY OPINION is Snell won't get enough usage to make a difference. Oh and yeah as long as Fitch is here nobody is gonna produce unless our QB/OC Ben comes back to form........
     
  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    This is a pretty silly take you guys. Guess we should all stop posting and sharing ideas. Half of what we do here is speculate.

    These are very similar backs. Chubbs is faster but he’s not 4:30 fast. He ran around 4.50 and Snell ran around 4.60, little higher than that but don’t remember exactly.
     
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  14. RobertoC#21

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    Snell and Chubb arent even close to the same, Chubb was leading the NFL in rushing this year until Henry ran for 200+ in week 17 to win it by 40-50 yards. Chubb is a stud RB, I am sorry to say I dont believe Snell will ever fit that description.
     
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  15. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Great, your making a judgment based on stats between a guy that is the feature back and played every game to a guy with 2 starts and I am comparing them based on similarities based on size, running style and film.
     
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  16. RobertoC#21

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    True, but if Snell had feature back ability, dont you think we would have used him as one considering we were essentially starting 2 Rookie QB's most of the season? What I am saying is that I believe you are way over valuing his limited play with projected stardom. Perhaps his limited play led to his "impressive stats" . I have no doubt he is a good RB, but he is not a feature back, workhorse or stud. I am sorry if my opinion differs from yours but its how I see it.
     
  17. NY STEELERFAN

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    I totally agree it is silly what we do here is a lot of opinion and sometimes facts.....MOSTLY OPINION though. So just like you said in another post you don't know what is in the front office minds or whatever you said when you quoted me in the Digger post. I mean how was it silly for us but not you........anyways.

    These guys are similar backs but you are missing why I am not agreeing with you......one is the bell cow and one is gonna need injuries to get on the field. IMO again my opinion hard to compare a guy getting playing time to one who don't....
     
  18. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I don’t mind that you have a difference of opinion and I misunderstood your post, too. You weren’t comparing his stats to Snell, simply pointing out how good a season Chubbs had and casting doubt that Snell can do that. Apologies for the snippy response.

    As long as James Conner is on the team, you won’t see a full commitment to Snell but it’s clear he will be getting the bulk of work when JC can’t go. Hopefully they will work him in more even when JC is healthy.
     
  19. SteelersFanIrl

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    Backs often need a year or two to get up to NFL speed. Chubb is in his second year in the NFL, albeit he got injured his first. It took a few years for Cook and Aaron Jones to break out etc.

    Given their draft pedigree and what we have seen to date all indications are that Chubb is the better player but it’s far too early to state that Snell is not a feature back. Very rarely do players fulfil that criteria in their first year. I was mightily encouraged by some of what I saw from Snell towards the end of the season. With Ben back under center we may actually have a passing game to open up the run in 2020 and Snell might thrive when he doesn’t have to face a stacked box every down.

    I would like to see them appoint a run game coordinator though, as others have suggested.
     
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  20. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I’m missing the comparsion to the other post but as far as this one is concerned, Snell is 5’10 225 lbs and Chubb 5’10 227lbs, both powerbacks, Chubbs is faster but not amazingly so. Snells Kentucky film is very good and in his limited opportunities this season, did a nice job. Keep in mind it was Year one and the jump these guys can make in year two. Only thing holding him back is Conner.
     
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  21. thesteeldeal

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    There’s a lot of gaps on the coaching staff that need to be filled. Enough with the multitasking BS. Maybe we need a GoFundme for the Rooneys
     
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  22. thesteeldeal

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    Ummm......he’s faster by a bit I’d say...lol. 21.95 mph. I’m not sure Snell drives that fast...lol
     
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  23. Formerscribe

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    So says anybody with a clue who has been paying attention.
     
  24. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I was surprised to see this in the article:

    Snell "led all Steelers running backs in explosive runs in 2020"

    I'm wondering what the definition of an "explosive run" here that he's using?


    (And before Mojave or Jeh chip in, fairly sure it's not the same as the "explosive runs" one may suffer after a trip to the curry house.)
     
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  25. The Glory Days

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    One year doesn't a career make, for either of these guys. Can't use stats yet, not enough data. Eyeball test says Snell can run. Same goes for Chubb.

    We don't? We haven't seen any of our backs run behind a great OL other than Conner. Until the line gets fixed and our OC finishes Pro Offenses For Dummies, we simply won't know what we have.

    That is what I have been trying to educate the dear, misguided @Formerscribe@Formerscribe about. Losing weight does not produce speed. Anyone telling you otherwise is selling something. You can increase quickness and burst by shedding a few pounds. And I'm not dismissing the benefit of being quicker in and out of breaks and better body control that comes from being lighter on your feet. But especially at this level, changing your body doesn't change your speed unless you allowed yourself to get out of shape and put on an excessive amount of weight that hinders your ability. That's simply not the case being discussed here.

    Well, the Steelers need to get over themselves and change if that's what is necessary to win. The "Steeler Way" should be winning first and ego 10th or 11th. And you hit the nail on the head with the Fitch comment.

    When was ANYONE used properly on this offense this past season? He wasn't the feature back primarily because he sat behind JC and Sam on the depth chart. Our coaches weren't ready to coach with injuries this season. Tomlin and Fuchtnuts were in over their collective heads and coached with a magic 8 ball in their pockets all season.

    One is going to need coaches who are prepared to do what is best for the team and not their egos. Tomlin said he would ride the guy with the hot hand. Then he forgot about the guy with the hot hand for parts of series against the ratbirds. Was he saving Snell for the links the next week? Snell doesn't need to be the bell cow to be productive for us. He needs a commitment from the coaches to run the ball, a good plan they can/will stick with, an OL to block, and a competent qb who can AT LEAST make the opposition think we can throw over 10 yards successfully.
     
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