A Question To Each Side...

I don't think we do. And I say that because of the up and down way we perform. We look like utter vomit against Baltimore and the Eagles as if Ben met his offensive for the first time in the parking lot 5 minutes before kickoff.

I am a Tomlin supporter but it's wearing thin because of what I stated above. I guess if we play another game like we did in Baltimore where we look we didn't practice all week i could definitely could go the other way.

 

Detractor, I have been so done with MT for sooooooo long I have
given up.

 

Was just going to write a similar response. Tomlin's message and his tape loop responses are dated. 4 losses in a row. To even think about playoffs or Super Bowl with him at the helm seems premature at this point. Even with a bad division. This team has forgotten how to win. With this team reeling their is no guarantee of a win over the clowns at this point. I'm done with the chest pumping Tomlin when things are going right and the puppy dog look when the pressures on. It's time for a change...

 

Detractor:

I've been critical of Tomlin since Arians an Lebeau and the reason for that being was I never thought he had full control, always felt the 2 former were running the show. New coaches generally come in and make changes but in Tomlin's case he kept pretty much everything the same which in a way was understandable given the team was a Superbowl contender then. It worked out with 2 Superbowl appearances and 1 winner. Either he got complacent or he took a if it ain't broke don't fix it approach. Either way I think not taking control of things from the very start and not implementing his own defensive philosophies ended up biting him I think. But if you look at his press conferences over 10 years, I could put in the same CD in CD player for 10 straight years and get sick of it too. Players probably get tired of listening to this **** too. It makes it seem like he's not savy enough to be an NFL coach

I've thought this since about 4 years ago And Ill share it here. I couldve been a Tomlin supporter if he would have taken control by implementing his own philosophies and game plan. Ive never thought he took control of anything in that regard but that would have been a big step for me to be pro tomlin.

However I say "would've" and "could've" because I think its too late to fix it now. Things are too stale and the only way to fix stale is the organization needing a new direction. I don't believe we live in a generation where we can get away with keeping a coach 15-20 years. Player get board and sometimes need a spark.

 

Detractor: Took me until this year to turn on Tomlin. Like another OP I never watch press conferences on Tuesday.. I literally hate listening to him. He has been surrounded with impeccable talent for many years now. If you cannot beat the teams you should with the personnel he has had it has to be on him. Time for the Steelers to move on without Tomlin.

 

Tomlin neutral, but sick of the defense being atrocious, undisciplined, and soft. They tried to trick us yesterday with a strip sack fumble recovery, but then went back to who we knew them to be. I would just like to see Tomlin get angry and show some emotion because that is how everyone within the organization and fans feel. Getting real sick of this "in the hunt" for the playoffs every year. Whatever happened to winning divisions, getting 1st rd byes, and not losing to teams we should not lose to?

With the above said Tomlin can turn it around, but it starts with going on a 7 game win streak, kicking asses, creating turnovers on D(doubtful), and not being so smug to think you can go for 2 every time and give up free points. The game would have been played differently and clock management would have been different if they would have just kicked the xp's.

 

I’m a detractor, and probably have been for a number of years now. Now that I think about it, I’m not sure I was even sold on him when they hired him. I thought the team probably should have went with Whiz or Grimm.

Anyway, to the question at hand. In order for Tomlin to change my mind, he’d have to change quite a few things. The team would have to appear as though they are actually evolving, and gameplanning for a specific opponent. He would need to show at least a little bit of passion on the sidelines. I want to see him actually “coach” a player. If a player makes a mistake, I want to see the coach go over and talk to them and try to see what went wrong, and if he can correct the mistake.

Like others, I also want to see some fire from him. He’s almost always emotionless. Be it on the sidelines or in a press conference. I’m also not sure I’ve seen him put his own stamp on this team, either. He’s been in town for 10 years. He was supposed to be a master of the Tampa 2, yet I can’t say I’ve really seen anything from the defense that would make me believe that he has had any input at all. Yes, the offense has certainly gotten better under his tenure, but he also has a franchise QB, something Cowher really never had until Ben came along.

In the end, in order for me to be a supported, I think this team needs to stop losing to inferior opponents, and not be afraid to change what isn’t working, in the actual game, not weeks later.

 

I remember a few years ago, being blasted for not being a "Tomlin jock sniffer" like some. Looks like I'm not in the minority anymore.

Glad more have joined the club and have taken off the shades...welcome

 

Seems like a significant majority on this thread have had enough of Tomlin.

At worst, I'd say it's time for the ownership group to publicly call him out and put some pressure on him.

 

Hell, I'd be ok with just that for now...

 

I remember screaming for Cowher's head after the AFC Championship game losses to the Patriots in '01 and '04. Even though Cowher lost some big games, he won a ****load of playoff games. Tomlin has won 1 playoff game in 6 years with a franschise QB and adequate talent through last year. This year... it can be debated that the Steelers lack the talent on the defensive side of the ball for a playoff run.

 

I am a supporter and 2 more sub par seasons and I would be in for a change ...Before that happens though I would like for him to really have control ...Fire KC and let Coach Tomlin have 2 drafts of his guys if he can't steady the Defense in that time then lets make a change ..

 

I have wanted Tomlin gone for a long time and that is only getting worse. He does not have control of this team and now the future HOF QB is calling him out in the media. Tomlin was a passenger on the super bowl winner and has done nothing to improve this team.

 

For me I support, but it really kills me to see the Steelers go for two pts. Sometime. Yes I hate his gut calls. I know we are in a four game losing streak but guy this is a bad year for the division and the object is to get in the dance, which we can do. After the season I really need a new DC, if we stink time to throw all the coach out. Lastly we can't be too bad check out GB message board everyone want someone fire

 

Tomlin is the problem.

I'd quickly change my mind if we won playoff games. That's the quick answer.

To do this I think he needs to change the way the team practices and prepares. The constant theme with Tomlin coached teams over the last 6 years has been INconsistency. When you beat your selves against bad teams and surround that with winning half of your games that means your players are good enough to win. No one can honestly say we don't have the talent to beat just about anyone in the NFL. Most people agree with this fact. It's the preparation that's the problem. Either that we built a roster full of ADD sufferers. I'm suspecting that's not the case.

Most games we struggle to sustain long drives, when we score it's off a big play...usually a bomb. We cannot execute plays consistently. That perfection comes from practice/preparation.

The other issue I think sticks out is game planning & management. When we lose to horrible teams it's not just players mental mistakes or lack of talent. If you don't have the talent, how are we winning half of our games? I can think of plenty of games were we were surprised by the opponent and not ready to play. I can think of plenty of games were our game plan against horrible teams was so conservative that we just let them hang around to beat us. I can think of games were we refuse to adjust to circumstances.

We don't have an identity. Some games we are crazy aggressive, other games we are so conservative Mike Pence thinks we're nuts. We often do not try to exploit obvious weaknesses, we mismanage game time, we attempt 2 point conversions when we shouldn't, we get overly aggressive or fancy when we shouldn't, or we get overly conservative when we shouldn't. We often to try to force the issue when the path of least resistance makes more sense.

We play just like we are coached. This team mimics MT's personality I think. Slightly bipolar, easily distracted, unfocused on details, overly emotional at times, etc. He's not an attention to detail guy. That's clear in every game. He makes more "gut" feeling play calls than most coaches. Conversely a Bellicheat will make a gut feeling call but he's made that call the week prior and practiced it with his team leading up to the game. There is not a more consistently prepared team than the Patriots. Some times illegally prepared but still, the fact that he cheats points directly to his way of coaching. They prepare and focus on details. They go for the jugular and try to exploit every teams weaknesses. His demeanor is always the same. The patriots reflect his personality. ( a soul-less, ethically bankrupt, win at all costs mentality) Why do you think they all like Trump? They might not always win, and they have had the occasional stinker but it's nearly the opposite of what the steelers have been the past 6 years. We have talent but can't put it together.

 

I'm on the side of getting rid of Tomlin and have been for awhile now. I'm not sure I can be convinced to change my mind. It is easy to say win the Super Bowl, but I'd be afraid it would be a fluke, like his first one. I am of the mind we won that Super Bowl in spite of Tomlin not because of him. he has too much history working against him right now. His teams play dumb, lazy, and with no accountability. With a very few exceptions, there is no heart or drive on this team to excel. I don't see that changing. I'd need to see multiple years of success (division titles, conference title games) before I'd change sides, but I don't think it is worth waiting. We're just wasting Brown's peak years right now and I would not be surprised to see him and/or Bell ask for a trade if things keep going the way they are. Tomlin and Colbert have taken us backward into mediocrity and I think it more likely that things will get worse rather than better. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I haven't yet.

 

Its time for him to go. As someone else said, things are stale. I am absolutely disgusted by this season. Every year, we wait for it to be different and it never is. He calls people out occasionally, promises heads are going to roll...and then not one thing changes. I have no idea if the players don't respect him or what the issue is, but it's time for a change.

 

I don't like him...period.


The funny thing is, I listen to his pre-game talk show interviews and he sounds like he really studies and knows how things are going to work out. He has insightful ideas and knows all of the important details he should, he just never seems to act on them. Maybe he should be a coordinator and leave the game decisions to someone else.

If he would adjust even a little bit during a game, I might start to like him.

 

Detractor

1. Whether it's personnel or coaching, it makes no difference. Tomlin is responsible for both. I don't want to sound too harsh, but he is the man at the top. And this isn't Cleveland or Detroit or, dare I say, Miami or the Jets. The Steelers are one of the premier franchises not just in football but in all of professional sports. So if the heat is too much, remember that Tomlin put on his big boy pants when he took this job. This is like coaching Notre Dame.

2. I said it in 2007: Tomlin didn't come in and clean house. He needed to. Was he instructed not to? I don't know. But I fully expected him to bring in his guys, as Cowher did in 92, and set the message: "This is MY football team." But he kept most of Cowher's pieces in place, and I knew that was a bad, bad sign. It vwas basically saying "I have no idea what I'm doing, so I'll just keep things status quo."

3. The team rarely looks "prepared" to play. Don't ask me to quantify this. It's an eyeball test.

4. A series of embarrassments: losing to Tebow, giving up 55 points to the Pats in 2013, worst loss since 1989 vs Eagles this year, stepping on the field, losing to Terrelle Pryor, losing twice to Matt Cassell, near losses to Lance Painter and Tyler Palko. I could go on.

5. The "unleash hell" in 2009 was an epic fail.

6. The platitudes are nauseating.

 

I'm a detractor now, too... but this is wrong. Cowher kept many of Noll's players: Greg Lloyd, Rod Woodson, Carnell Lake, Ernie Mills, Neil O'Donnell, Justin Strelzyk, Jerry Olsalvsky, Dermotti Dawson, John Jackson, Hardy Nickerson, etc. All of these guys were on the Super Bowl XXX team except for Hardy Nickerson.

 

He was so good at quarterback, he's now a wide receiver!

 

As an informed supporter, I can say it would take a multiple season/data point trend in the wrong direction culminating multiple seasons below 500. Say we go 9-7 and miss the playoffs this year (worse than last year), and then the following season we went 7-9, and then in 2018 we went 6-10.... then I would join the detractors.

I'm a realist who understands we have a young/green secondary
I'm a realist who understands we have no edge rush
I'm a realist who understands that a coaching change in the twilight of Ben's career is really not going to benefit the short term.

 

Every time someone posts this nonsense, I am reminded how little people actually know about football.

The game plan against Dallas was a lot different than the game plan used against Baltimore... on BOTH sides of the ball.

If you can't see that, then you should just stop talking about game planning.