Brandon Boykin

Find me anyone with Alexander in the first. Charles Davis from NFL site has him at 30th to the Panthers.

Mayock doesn't rank MA top 5 CBs, Casserly, Walter Football other guy at NFL all have Alexander out of the first.

Del Rio says Alexander has potential character issues.

None of their opinions matter to you because they apparently don't match yours but some nerd in his 20s who writes for Campus Rush has brilliant insight.

Yes finger wagging on 1st downs in a player's face is not the Steeler way. Lebeau knew that he would flip out. Calling yourself "the best corner in college football" then finishing near the bottom in every combine drill is also not a good look.

This is what you're saying "Gay is a slot corner and Golson is a slot corner so it was good to get rid of Boykin... but also draft the player most comparable to Boykin in the entire draft in the first round."

The Steelers don't need another corner under 6'0.

I don't care that Boykin is gone. That is why I didn't post about Boykin from Mar 21-April 18 while you posted on every page of this thread.

 

Anyways, my opinion on Boykin is I feel the consensus.

Boykin should have been given a shot outside last year to play over Blake or Gay should have been moved outside. Blake sucks.

It makes sense to dump Boykin now that there is a log jam at the slot with Gay and Golson. It is also fairly easy to find a small slot corner in the draft or FA down the road.

It makes sense to keep Gay over Boykin based on the secondary is very young and will be adding more youth this year. Also Boykin repeatedly said he wanted to play outside while Gay plays where he is asked without complaining.

It also made sense to limit Boykin's snaps and have a 4th rather than a 5th which is what happened. The defense played much better with Boykin in.

There. Setting the clocks back to March 21 the last time I mentioned Boykin. I probably won't be "triggered" unless allegations are made that a) we thought Boykin guaranteed a Super bowl b) we thought Boykin was DPOY c) we thought Boykin made Deion Sanders look like Antwon Blake.

 

Hey TT, there are reports all over talking about how difficult it is to deal with Alexander and his attitude. I believe the last report I saw was on rotoworld. Just helping you with your morning coffee bro.

 

I think that is what he's referring to.

 

I wish the Raiders would take him and get off Willie Jackson.

 

Elvis, is the draft pick situation the ONLY reason Boykin sat? No. But it was a big part.

Boykin went from about 5 snaps per game until week 10. After that the only corner with more snaps was Gay.

So... a lightbulb clicked 3 months into the season?

Derek Carr, Johnny Manziel, and Russell Wilson torched the secondary in back to back to back weeks. Prior to that the secondary had held up.

Can't blame the corners for Gronkowski, Flacco played like crap in the first game of their sweep, and Alex Smith is too much dink and dunk to really make a secondary look bad.

Why give up a 4th round pick when Roethlisberger was doing enough to overcome a mediocre secondary? After the OAK, CLE, SEA games a change had to be made and was and the draft pock had already been secured. Win win.

But the argument that the secondary was a meritocracy and the best players played is observably not true.

Whatever I said I was done so I'll leave it. Saying that the draft picks played absolutely no part in Boykin sitting is just as dumb as saying the draft picks were the only reason Boykin was sitting. The end. For real this time.

 

Quick search:

Brugler doesn't have Alexander in the 1st either. I stopped looking after your very first reference was a lie.

Brugler is the second analyst in the link. He is in a tie in the headshot but there are no names.

Maybe don't use mock drafts from before the combine to make your assertions? Indon't know.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/mock-draft

 

Hey now there is no reason to bring perfectly blameless monsters into this they get a bad name already no need to furl antimonster sentiment

 

I just looked and indeed, Alexander is nowhere on Burgler's first round list. And on two of the other CBS mocks, Alexander has fallen down to 28th to Kansas City. LOL

 

Well I'm an easier target than the NFL player aren't I?

Boykin is a 3 year NFL veteran. He talked to his secondary and defensive coaches on a daily basis during the season. I am failing to understand how you have more insight into his benching than he does.

I also find it funny that Boykin would "try to save face" but the Steelers coaches who had the 31st secondary in the NFL would not "try to save face."

It is that kind of logic that irritates me not the Boykin situation itself.

 

TT,

I just went to the CBS site, and Burgler has dropped Alexander out of the first round. And the other experts have him barely in the first round now. The lack of height, the attitude, the lack of interceptions, all this has played a part in his drop down the board.

 

I will say that there is a ton of smoke screening right now. All this could be just smoke screening because teams may really want Alexander. I hope like Hell that is the case and Alexander goes before Willie Jackson. I would be elated if Alexander went to Oakland or Miami.

 

Dane Brugler's big board is from March 4th. PFF big board is from March 16th.

Those are post combine so I was wrong on that.

I don't know why Brugler would have Alexander as 13th best player on March 4th and then not include him in his first round mock on April 18.

What has changed since then?

The combine/pro day numbers are the same.

The game tape is the same.

I guess the only variable is research into injuries and character. Outside of medical records I suppose the only variable in the selection process is... anecdotal evaluations of players from former coaches and teammates.

But only "crazy people" think NFL coaches lean on the opinions of college coaches to make player evaluations. That's not a thing.

 

If Alexander were on the board when we pick at # 25, then there is a reason why. And that is a clear sign that he wasn't all he was cracked up to be or he wouldn't be on the board at # 25. Give me Artie Burns over Alexander. Way higher ceiling for Burns then Alexander.

 

Dean, I think what you're saying about the interceptions is a good point.

No GM will want to break precedent and draft the only CB ever in the first few rounds not to have any INTs.

We know as Steelers fans watching Taylor for years that an effective corner might still have hands of stone haha.

It just looks bad on a GM if Alexander is a bust because people will say "How could you not know? He was the ONLY Cb ever that didn't get a pick!" It's an inconvenient statistic that overly impacts his draft status.

This happens in the NFL all the time- a player gets stuck with a label and it defines him and affects his value. It happens over and over whether people want to acknowledge it. Just like how on every scouting report there is a comparison yo a former player. Scouts are partially defining new players based on former players they have nothing to do with.

 

Just too many red flags on Alexander for me to want him in the first round. Waaaaaaaaaaay better players and options in the first round then Alexander. When he slides like Jarvis Jones did that year, you'll know.

Steelers ran to the podium for Jarvis Jones and didn't question why he slide. LOL.