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Brian Hoyer?????

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by cajunyankee, Apr 17, 2016.

  1. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    31 teams passed on drafting landry
     
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  2. EddieBurro

    EddieBurro Well-Known Member

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    Bruce Gradkowski
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    Cleveland Browns 2008
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    Cincinnati Bengals 2011-2012
    Pittsburgh Steelers 2013-2015

    I mentioned Hoyer would be an upgrade over what we have had behind Ben on our depth chart and you lead with "5 teams cut Hoyer, they didn't even consider keeping for a backup?" Not really making a strong argument there in lieu of Bruce's resume.

    I agree with you about signing him on the cheap. I don't think anybody here has suggested we break the bank for Bobby Hoyer. Pretty sure the majority sees him as being an upgrade on our depth chart. Which he would be.
     
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  3. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Suggesting anyone should be signed because they are an upgrade over what we have at backup isn't setting the bar very high. The draft is coming and better options will typically be available once training camp is underway. No reason to reach now.
     
  4. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    I disagree in this instance, and here's why: backup QB is a very important position - far and away the spot on your roster where the #2 guy on the depth chart has the most value. If you don't have a solid backup QB, every game without your starting QB is a struggle, and you chip away hoping you can go .500 in your QB's absence IF you have a good roster. If the rest of your roster isn't very good, you go on a 1-11 tear like Dallas did last year. It's difficult to find a backup QB who has proven that he can start games and win in the NFL. There are plenty of factual numbers earlier in this thread about Hoyer's recent win/loss record and stats that the naysayers can't refute, because they're facts. I won't repeat them here, but I would ask anyone who doesn't like Hoyer to show who is potentially available that is a more accomplished QB. If you can get a guy like Hoyer for the right kind of money, you've got to take a shot. The odds of someone freeing up spontaneously in camp who has that degree of NFL success are very small, and if they do free up they'll end up going to be a starter for another team that experiences an "oh sh*t" moment in camp in the form of a QB injury. You take the shot when you have it.

    Now, it probably doesn't matter. The Jets have him in for a visit right now, and they're thinking starter, not backup. Unless they're using Hoyer to push Fitz into a deal, he may go off the market pretty soon.
     
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  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Think a lot of people are going to be disappointed, Landry is going to be the number 2.

    People want to kill him for the KC game, that wasn't even that bad and his first ever NFL start no less and yet Hoyer, a veteran with many starts put on a display in that playoff game worse than anything we saw from Vick, and thats saying something.

    Not really trying to bash Hoyer as much as I am supporting Landry. I wouldn't be upset with Hoyer if we signed him, probably be a fine back up but he isn't coming here, cost too much and Dallas is supposedly interested in signing him, definitely will pay more than us.
     
  6. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    In the biggest game of his career the playoff loss to Kansas City, Hoyer played like :poopy: 5 turnovers not interested in him at all.
     
  7. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yeah. Carson Palmer had 6 turnovers against Carolina. That bum would be an even worse backup than Hoyer.
     
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  8. thorn058

    thorn058 Well-Known Member

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    Cajun I'm not taking issue with your thread or even the discussion the reason I asked was because the article on ESPN basically was stating that is would be an epic situation of backups with Hoyer and Gradkowski in Pittsburgh which seemed strange to me if no one in Pittsburgh had even talked about contacting Hoyer. At this point the discussion seems to be progressing and the hype is starting similar to what went on with Weddle and I had yet to hear anything a beat writer so I thought I would ask if there had been some.
     
  9. thorn058

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    actually 31 other teams had differing priorities through the first four rounds and didn't need a project QB that had impressive college numbers but who may not have been able to translate that to the next level. He did however get drafted by the team with 6 Superbowl titles out of 8 games played and a long history of winning that we all seem to love.
     
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  10. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    When the lights were brightest he played like crap, mostly unforced turnovers right to the opposing team.
    That is even with the supposed QB whisperer in his ear. No thanks.Turnover machine.
     
  11. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    I was going to say much the same thing.

    Technically, you could say that 6 teams passed on him, because that's how many QBs were drafted before him...
     
  12. Diamond

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    You could say that about every player drafted in the 4th round, but you can say that about every round after the first round, you can even say that about the last player drafted in the first round, actually every player in the 4th round had 32 teams pass on them in the first 3 rounds, no merit at all to this statement........
     
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  13. jeh1856

    jeh1856 Im a happy camper

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    Technically, the Steelers passed on drafting Landry 3 times as well.
     
  14. Diamond

    Diamond Well-Known Member

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    Actually 10 QBs were drafted in 2013 and none of them are starters today, including 1st rounder EJ Manuel and 2nd round gino smith and Landry had the best resume in college throwing for 123 TDs, all landry needs is starting experience and he can prove his worth, but in backing up Ben he wont have much of a chance getting it, he should go free agent when his contract is up here because there are teams that would give him a chance to start, I dont know why people here hate on him as much as they do, I just dont get it.......

    http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/...-up-again-at-starting-QB/stories/201511100050
     
  15. steelersrule6

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    Big difference Palmer's coach had his back after the loss, and he didn't blame Palmer for the loss. Houston couldn't wait to run Hoyer sorry ass out of town.
     
  16. Dean

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    Truth be told, What has O'brien done for him to be the end all judge on anything? Hoyer had one player to play with him (Hopkins) and that's it. And people blame Hoyer? Who's fault is it that Houston has NEVER had another wide receiver opposite the main one?? Who's fault is it that the back ups behind Foster are garbage runningbacks?

    They jumped all over Hopkins and what did Hoyer have? Against a good defense that kicked our @ss earlier in the season. So with Hoyer who had one weapon it's Hoyer fault. Then lets jump all over Laundry who had a ton of weapons and get waxed by the Chiefs defense. The Chiefs defense is good. :rolleyes:
     
  17. muthjv

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    ok, those 5 teams that cut him had other priorities too
     
  18. thorn058

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    I'm confused are you talking about Hoyeror Landry Jones?
     
  19. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Some folks seem to think that because Hoyer isn't a franchise QB, that he can't be a good backup option either.

    Some also point to the playoff game as evidence that Hoyer sucks, and then say that Jones is better. Fact: Jones entered our playoff game against the Bengals up 15-7, and went 2-5 for 11 yards and an interception, and was pulled. His playoff career hasn't exactly been dynamic either.
     
  20. Dean

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    Jones still has a loooooooooooot to prove to me. I"m not sold on him at all.
     
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  21. cajunyankee

    cajunyankee Well-Known Member

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    Hoyer is Not Ben nor is he Landry, or Bruce. He is a NFL QB who has enough skillset to guide this team with more positive results than negative in the unfortunate event of Ben going down for an extended amount of time.

    The point may be mute though. With several other teams showing serious interest his price is way above the vet min now, I appx. it to be in the 5-6 mil range, maybe as low as 3 mil if its the right team/situation and since we're at 3 mil under the cap now I doubt we're in serious contention.

    Cajun
     
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  22. Fugitive60

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    Hoyer still considers himself a starter, and I doubt he would sign with any team strictly as a back up. Denver and the Jets come to mind as possible landing spots.
     
  23. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    Perhaps, but I think the Jets brought him in to show Fitz he's not the only game in town for them. Denver may sign him though. Right now the inventor of the butt fumble is their de facto starter. He may be a better option than Hoyer, but I'd sure want someone else who could step in just in case if I were them.
     
  24. Dean

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    If I'm Denver, I see that Sanchez took two teams to the AFC championship that were nowhere near as stacked as the team he is currently on. Plus..you look at two years ago when he led the Eagles to a 10 win season with some 300 yard passing games in there, he can guide that offense if given a chance.

    He disintegrated when that Jets team disintegrated around him. He's not the type of player that can carry an entire offense but he doesn't have to in Denver.
     
  25. Dean

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    Rotoworld is reporting the the Redskins have made a very legit offer to Norman. So it's about does he want the money from the 49ers or will he take less to be a a playoff contender. Stay tuned..........
     

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