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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by jeh1856, Mar 24, 2016.

  1. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    you are correct.
    too many fans using the injuries to bell and pouncey as a reason why we lost. they seem to think with them staying healthy we roll to the super bowl. unfortunately i think tomlin and colbert feel the same.
    at this time our roster is weaker than last year at cb, s, ot, fb, nt and wr.
    we should be stronger at te, c and rb due to FA signing and a healthy pouncey and bell.
    the organization seems to be resting its hopes on upgrading those weaker positions by much improved play from last year's 2nd stringers and maybe some help from the draft picks.
    im not that confident.
    i do realize that the browns suck, ravens are mediocre and the bengals took a big hit in FA, so 10-6 should easily win the division.
    i believe our roster is good enough for 10-6 but not confident that it can improve so much to contend for the title.
    unless a playmaker cb or s emerges from this draft, i dont see much immediate help at any other position
    hopefully i am wrong, but i believe they dropped the ball by not addressing our putrid secondary
     
  2. Dean

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    I'm bummed that they didn't go after Nelson harder but let's see what veteran safeties are available after the draft. I"m going to give Colbert some rope to either corral some real talent in the secondary or to hang himself with.
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Certainly didn't help. The "injuries are part of the game and everyone has them" is nice coach speak but in reality, they make a big difference between who wins and loses.

    Don't agree that we are weaker at CB, S and OT. NT yes and maybe FB but FB has little effect and Bryant is a big loss at WR but fortunately it comes at the strongest and deepest position and I believe Coates is more than capable of stepping in. Likewise Nix should be able to handle whatever Johsnson gave us.
     
  4. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    who do we have on our roster that is better at cb than we had last year?
    who at OT?
    who at S?
    coates hasnt proven anything at wr
    i would be alright HOPING that someone can step up if it was only 1 or 2 positions, but i see 5 spots minimum. that's a lot to hope for.
     
  5. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    You said we got worse, how did we get worse? By losing Blake? Thats addition by subtraction, my dirty socks cover better then him. Boykin? Golson can fill that roll.

    How did they get worse at OT? Same guy that played LT for the last 10 games is still here. AV did a fine job and will only get better.

    Golden and Mitchell are our safties, how did we get worse there?

    I'm comfortable with Coates, he certainly didn't shrink from the spotlight in Denver, a playoff game no less. Even if he does falter, still have the best WR in the game on the roster and good supporting cast. Also signed Green which is a new type of weapon that they haven't had at TE before, should help alleviate the loss of Bryant.

    Don't think we have gotten worse at all.

    Still have the draft, some good options there to help the team out.
     
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  6. vasteeler

    vasteeler Well-Known Member

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    i'm a huge Tomlin supporter. Most any other coach would have folded with the injuries we sustained last year. He didnt let us sink.
     
  7. Dean

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    We have the draft and free agency. We have to let Colbert do his thing and then see where we are at.
     
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  8. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    blake sucked yet he was apparently better than any of our other cbs that we have now because they couldnt beat him out. golson is nothing more than a rookie, ands rookies dont start for us and produce
    our starting safety is gone and our penciled in starter has been a huge bust for 3 years and golden couldnt beat out a 33 year old
    Beachum is a better ot than AV.
    coates is a downgrade from bryant. period
    i did say TE was improved
     
  9. Iowasteeljim

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    I'm not sure how you come up with Coates being a downgrade from Bryant when you said that Coates proved nothing last year. By that very definition he neither proved that he was better or worse. Could be either one. I tend to believe that he can be every bit as good but I'm only going by potential.
     
  10. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    ok, coates hasnt proven to be better than bryant.
    knowing what you know about each players performance so far in their careers, who would you rather have at the #2 wr potion. who would you want on your fantasy team? if you had to bet a paycheck on who would put up better numbers this year bryant as #2 wr or coates as #2 wr? would you bet a $1000 that coates will put up better numbers than bryant did last year?
     
  11. RPO IZSB

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    Common misconception. Sometimes being "playbook deep" keeps someone on the field over another player. This was clearly the case with Blake v Cockrell and snaps. They could run the entire playbook with Blake, and they couldn't with Cockrell. Cockrell's snaps increased over the course of the year as he got deeper into the playbook.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Cockrell was still learning but showed he can play. Won't be hard to replace Blake, please. Again, you are making the argument that we are worse, youve yet to prove that.

    Beachum was a nice story, an overachiever, I notice no down grade with AV and again, he manned the position for the last 10 games so how did we get worse? AV will be better, he's the more prototypical LT then Beach and there was no noticeable drop off when he took over, he'll only improve.

    Golson has had a year to absorb a lot, he'll start and he'll produce, kids player. Boykin wasnt a superstar, went unsigned for 3 weeks and took a small 1 year prove it deal.

    Losing Will Allen is no big loss, Golden was playing better down the stretch.

    I mentioned Green because his presence will help offset the loss of Bryant but I did say WR is the one area that we got weaker, at least on paper. I think Coates is up for the task and as mentioned, Green will help alleviate some of the lost production provided by Bryant.
     
  13. muthjv

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    im done going around in circles with you on this. i wish i could go along with blind optimism for the improvements made to this team so far, but i just cant.
    is it hard to improve on last years secondary? NO. kinda hard not to improve from 3rd worst. do i feel the organization has addressed our secondary enough to make us legit super bowl contenders? NOPE, not yet.
    when our secondary continues to be bad/mediocre this season, i'll get back with you.
    if they become good/great, get back with me.
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Well, heres the thing, I never said we improved and that hasn't been my position throughout this debate, although it certainly wouldnt take any stretch of the imagination to say Cockrell and Golden are improvements over Blake and Allen. The fact is, you said we have gotten worse and you've done jack to support your reasons.

    None of the players we've lost has weakened this team except Bryant and that at least comes at a position of strength and a loss they can absorb. Especially with the addition of Green.

    The team that ended the season last year is absolutely capable of winning a SB with a healthy offense. Spare me the coach speak about injuries, they matter, when your star WR and RB are gone and a QB that sustained a shoulder injury the week before, it matters. That's what cost us in the playoffs, not our secondary.

    Season hasn't even started, still lots that can be done to sure up the secondary, the only weak unit on the team.

    Blind optimism or maybe just fan pessimism?
     
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  15. RPO IZSB

    RPO IZSB Well-Known Member

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    Nailed it
     
  16. Iowasteeljim

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    Guess I would take my chances on the guy that can stay on the field. What is Bryant going to do for anyone's fantasy league this year? I will bet you $1000 dollars that Coates puts up better fantasy numbers than Bryant this season. (I don't do fantasy football so I don't really care about all that stuff) I'm not really trying to debate this with you or start an argument. I just notice that your post lean towards the negative and I was showing that you can chose how you look at things.
     
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  17. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    ive done plenty to support my reasons, you just choose to ignore it
    also, not sure what 'coach speak' i gave about injuries
     
  18. muthjv

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    do you want to bet $100 that coates puts up better numbers this year than bryant did last year?
     
  19. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Most of the "losses" are nothing to fret over. Not worried.
     
  20. MorrisFoster

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    I like how we got "better" by losing Heath haha. He had slown down some but he is still the best TE the Steelers have ever had.

    Steelers got worse at WR and NT.

    The RB will improve bc healthy.

    OL will improve bc healthy.

    DL will be worse with McLendon gone.

    LB will be about the same maybe lost some depth but Shazier will be better.

    CB is worse. Boykin was decent and Golson is unproven. At least Cortez will be better than Blake.

    S will be better. Should be addressed in the draft and Golden>Allen.

    All in all it isn't bad but secondary needs major improvement.
     
  21. strummerfan

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    Careful, averaging 3.125 receptions a game isn't shooting for the moon.
     
  22. Thigpen82

    Thigpen82 Bitter optimist

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    FWIW, I see a lot of writers on NFL.com calling us one of the main powers in the conference, even with these FA losses.

    Of course, we tend to do better as underdogs, but the point is more that a lot of other teams have been losing key guys as well, whereas the big FA winners are the weaker/on the rise teams. Barring NE, of course.
     
  23. muthjv

    muthjv Well-Known Member

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    i'll make the same offer to you
     
  24. SteelerGlenn

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    Gambling is illegal at Bushwood sir.
     
  25. Iowasteeljim

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    I will bet you $1,000,000 I don't care about your bet...you in?
     

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