How mad are you now? Knowing that was the Steelers Super Bowl.

Did you just swear in another language? Where is a MOD when you need one?

 

It's inconclusive that Steven Jackson or Pierre Thomas would've been better. The argument has nothing to do with the guys we have "working", but rather whether or not the guys you advocate would have "worked" better. We actually have statistical evidence proving the opposite of what you think.

Pats don't run the ball... We don't either. We ran 2% more than they do during the regular season (or about 1-2 more attempt(s) a game).

No, I don't want to compare career stats. They are meaningless. Steven Jackson used to be a really good back, but he sucks now because he's old and washed up. Pierre Thomas used to be a solid rotation back but now he sucks because he's washed up. All the Steelers needed to be worried about was the kind of back they were getting for weeks 9-17 and into the playoffs of the 2015-2016 season and there is literally no reason to believe that either Jackson or Thomas would've been better options than Todman or Toussaint during that span.

BTW your stats in reply to steel1031 are incomplete. You conveniently left out the playoff games for both players (you know, the part where Toussaint out performed Jackson). In all games played this season and post season, Toussaint had 47 rushes for 139 yards (2.96 YPC) and a TD. Also had 7 rec for 62 yds, for a total of 201 yards on 54 touches (3.7 per touch). Steven Jackson had 31 rushes for 74 yds (2.38 YPC) and 2 TDs. Also had 2 rec for 22 yds, for a total of 96 yards on 33 touches (2.9 per touch). You cherry picked stats to make a point that was incorrect. So yes, let's compare stats... Your argument still doesn't hold up.

(Insert "crying Jordan" Steven Jackson meme here)

 

The guy's trolling.
The act is getting old.

 

Thanks for looking that up. I was going to cause I thought he had done better than that but didn't figure facts would help me

 

You're right. Facts are irrelevant. He's convinced that a Veteran RB would not have fumbled.

 

It won't stop him though.

 

I was gonna say, ALONE!

 

like a zombie...The Walking Dead Argument

 

what???????

 

It might. I did the same thing in one of his other threads and he completely abandoned the thread and never responded to my last post.

 

BS, the players get paid millions to execute the plays. Ben throws a int blame the coaches for not having him prepared . You need a complete team, not just a good QB to win Super Bowls.

 

They don't have enough talent on defense.

 

I know how you got this stat and I would just like to point out that your numbers are skewed. Brady was credited for 35 rushing attempts and it counts reverses. DWill was 15th in the league for touches. He was about 50 away from being top 5 and he only played 12 games. If you add the top 2 backs for both teams.. DWill/Bell vs. Blount/Lewis. We had about 100 more rushing attempts. If you add the attempts for top 2 backs on a team... I only did a quick glance but I think only Cincy and Denver have more rushing attempts for their Top 2 backs. But based on the way you found your 2% stat, Steelers are towards the bottom. This would also support my argument that teams are doing a running back by committee by rotating 3-4 good running backs.

 

Some posters on this board

 

Yes, I got this stat passed on the percentage of plays being run plays. However, over the course of the season we ran the ball 5 more times than the Pats did... Sure, it includes reverses but both teams were credited with 9 non-QB/RB rushes over the course of the season. Wash. ESPN stats have Brady being credited with 34 rushes and Garoppolo with 5. Total of 39 QB rushes. Ben was credited for 15 rushes, while Landry was credited for 5 and Mike Vick 20. That's 40 total QB rushes, so again it's a wash. My stats aren't skewed... The truth is that we just don't run the ball more than the Pats. It's a fact.

Your "quick glance" is must've been really quick, because it is WAY off. Bell and DWill combined for 313 rushing attempts this season (200 Williams, 113 Bell). Below is the list of teams whose top two rushers received more carries than that.

Carolina 375 (242 Stewart, 133 Newton)
Minnesota 379 (327 Peterson 52 McKinnon)
Tampa Bay 395 (288 Martin, 107 Sims)
Arizona 321 (196 CJ2K, 125 D. Johnson)
Dallas 315 (239 DMac, 76 Randle)
NY Jets 317 (247 Ivory, 70 Powell)
Chicago 366 (218 Forte, 148 Langford)
Green Bay 335 (187 Lacy, 148 Starks)
Cincinnati 377 (223 Hill, 154 Bernard)
Denver 359 (207 Anderson, 152 Hillman)
Atlanta 351 (264 Freeman, 87 Coleman)
Washington 346 (202 Morris, 144 Jones)

That's 12 teams. Over a third of the league. And the list doesn't include teams that run "one back" dominated rushing attacks like the following teams

Oakland (Murray 80% of RB carries)
Indianapolis (Gore 79% of RB carries)

Nor does it include teams that do a lot of designed rush with their QB's in Buffalo and Seattle (both teams over 500 total rushes on the year) who would definitely have more rushes by their top 2 rushers if they weren't getting poached by the QB.

Essentially every argument that you have brought forward is statistically false. A little research before posting would go a long way to helping you not look like an idiot. Just saying.

 

18 for 42 = 2.33
21 for 50 = 2.38

Umm, those are the same thing.

 

Both 42%

 

You are the one that didn't check your stats with Brady counting for about 8% of their rushing attempts. Like I said I did a quick glance they are still past middle of the pack. I never said they are a running team they just run more than other teams and definitely more then the Patriots. If you didn't know that then you might not be as knowledgeable as I thought you were.

Only one has a postseason/season ending fumble though...

 

If we're comparing stats, Jackson probably has more career fumbles than Touissant, Bell and Todman combined HAHAHAHAHAHA

Since you know, this is all based off of used to coulds and irrelevancies

 

It's gone way past annoying.

 

Pierre Thomas performed as a world beater this year. If we would have had him I bet they would have given us TWO trophies at the end! The Redskins were phenomenal in the playoffs and will forever be known for that historic 2016 Redskins running game. Riggo and Portis are now on record as saying that Pierre Thomas is the greatest Redskins running back. As a matter of fact, the whole "should they or shouldn't they" change the name has been solved because it has been reported that they will now be called the Washington Thomases. Their number one fan will be Steelers 412.