Is it too early to start this?

I might not know much, but I can tell when a guy is about to get a ban from this place.

 

So I guess it's ok to cheat your way through life as long as your successful. Sorry I don't associate myself with people like that. I didn't know that my "rhetoric" had to pass your credibility criteria. The facts are that they cheated...and have been caught more than once. We have won two in the last ten,which is one more than them but that doesn't seem to have garnered our coaching staff any " credibility".

 

I hate to admit this but there was a time such a long, long, loooooong time ago that I actually liked the Patriots. That time was when I felt awful sorry for them and their fans wearing all those paper bags over their heads. Along came Bledsoe but lost his job after getting hurt and Brady came along as 6th round pick and things started looking up. I felt a bit better for them, then they went to the Superbowl and I actually rooted for that team. They won, became arrogant, changed their logo, Commissioner and team became BFF's and now I honestly despise them and everything associated with that cheating organization.

 

With out tooting my own horn I am about one of the most even tempered people on here and while I respect what Kraft has done to turn around an abysmal franchise and respect the way the team changed a loser culture, I dislike the team, can't stand Brady and think that BB is still doing what ever he has to in order to win games including break any rule he doesn't agree with and lying about it.

 

I always get intrigued when people say this. I am not a Brady fan but I can respect what he does. What makes everyone hate Brady? He never gave a bad interview and insulted fans. Never got in legal trouble like other players do. He is now being comical by playing comedy roles in movies. What is there to hate really?

 

Trust me. There are players on Brady's team that don't like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-LMiVWv-L4

 

The real dislike for me started when the greater than Montana debate started. In my opinion Brady while a good player is completely the product of having the most obsessively planning coach in the history of the NFL. Add to that the continually growing narrative about his being a 6th round pick and his success proves that draft gems are out there and blah blah blah. I will not deny the man's success with New England but if he never plays a snap with another team we will never know. However if he was a 6th round pick of the Jets, or the Chiefs or the Lions, I don't think the narrative is anywhere near as interesting if he was drafted by teams that have struggled and changed coaches many times over, not even sure he sees the field. Then beyond all this there was the his little jab at Pittsburgh as he left the field a couple of years ago. Bad things

 

I guess I don't really understand what is so hard to "understand" about any of this. I'll make it simple (more for you lloyddestroy than anyone else I guess). We are Steeler fans. By definition that makes us more passionate than most other fan bases. We cheer for a team that represents everything good about life...family, friends, hard-work and a sense of integrity! For God's sake, we are fortunate enough to get lost on a Sunday for a couple of hours, forget about all the bad stuff around us, come together as a nation (Steeler Nation), and watch a culmination of all our passion unfold on a football field. For a lot of us being a Steeler fan was a birth-right. This may be a hard concept to fully grasp for anyone who is on the outside looking in. For example, we as Steeler fans hate the Ravens. The rest of the NFL understands that this is a fierce rivalry but, unless, you are a fan of one of these two teams you can't TRULY understand what it means, dare I say, what it feels like to experience this rivalry. Now, to relate this to the Patriots. The Patriots represent an entirely different set of values, which happen to be the opposite of the values that Steeler fans embrace. Basically, we as Steeler fans hate everything that the Patriots stand for and everything they represent about the NFL. (Ok, I guess I could have started and ended with my last sentence)

 

I'd add: being a fan is about being partisan. There are varying degrees of it - hence the old 'black and gold coloured glasses' phrase that often comes up - and there are degrees to which being partisan can affect our views of other teams. In fact, I think we were talking about the Dartmouth-Princeton experiment only a few months ago on here, where fans saw the same match completely differently.

My point is: there's the fun of discussing and debating strategies and abilities and potential and best plays etc. That's the time for logical argument, evidence, analysis etc.

Then there's the fun of travelling six hours to stand in the freezing cold at the top of a stadium, screaming at some guys who are too far away to hear. The fun of that is the same fun of an "I hate the Patriots" thread.

 

power angry was just added to thesaurus lol.. jk.. if you google it you will find the reference is here only.. So I guess its a made up word lol

Angry birds get power angry haha

 

So! After reading this thread does that mean we shouldn't say how much we hate the Ratturds either?


I hate the Ratturds!!!!!

 

Too late for that!

But I think I got BFT by a couple of inches! Does that count?

 

I used to like/admire Brady. And I do respect the work he puts in. He demands a lot of himself and his teammates. But for me, there are two separate issues, both of which rub me the wrong way. 1. My distaste for the media's reverence for Brady (which is not Brady's fault); 2. Brady himself.

Let me tackle #1 first. I agree with others on this. Brady is the product of the HC he plays for (and, to a degree, Montana was, too). Brady's success (and failure) is due to the execution of the other ten men he plays with. Sportswriters like to point out that because he has won no matter the personnel, that this suggests his greatness. But to me, it suggests just the opposite: it ISN'T Brady. It's Belichick. Brady can't catch, can't block, can't run routes. In all my 40+ years watching the NFL, I have never seen a team's offense so consistently execute so close to perfection like the Pats do (not even the 49ers of the 80s/early 90s). Rarely do Brady's receivers drop a pass. Rarely do Brady's backs and receivers fumble. Rarely does Brady's kickers fail to put 3 on the board if by chance the offense only gets inside the 40. Rarely does Brady find himself under pressure when he drops back to pass. Rarely does Brady have to look anywhere but his primary receiver, because the team's plays almost always work as drawn up.

I realized this during that 2004 AFCCG. There were times in that game when the Steelers came with blitzes, and Brady sat back in the pocket with the time in the world to throw. Talk about comfortable. Given that kind of time and pocket, ANY QB can look like a HOFer.

The media ignores all of this. I am not saying Brady isn't great; he is. But to me, to be considered the best, you have to have those moments, when the chips are down, and time is running out, where you pull a rabbit out of the hat. He has never demonstrated the ability to do this because he can't complete the big pass in those moments. Short, five-yard throws, where the receiver takes off for 15 more, aren't highlight reel material.

The fact that Matt Cassel put up the numbers he did, without taking a meaningful snap since high school, says something about the execution of that offense. It's NOT the QB.

Now, #2.

I liked Brady until a press conference he gave at the end of the 2005 season. Brady wemt on a bit of a tirade, calling out the media, saying nobody respected him or his team. It was out of line and it was the first time I'd noticed that Brady was actually a spoiled, whiny brat. Since then, the following happened:

Impregnated his girlfriend and left her for a super model.
Walked off the field, sulking, without shaking Manning's hand after the 2006 AFCCG, and then blamed the loss on his receivers.
Continued throwing 4th-quarter TD passes to Moss, to pad stats, in blowouts, during that 2007 season.
Got up in Anthony Smith's face during the 2007 win over the Steelers (becaue Smith had guaranteed a Steeler victory). That's being mature.
Felt disrespected by Plaxico Burress's SB prediction.
Refused to shake Eli Manning's hand prior to that SB.
Has repeatedly appealed to refs for flags because of hits (he apparently doesn't like being tackled hard), and even "brushes" against his leg.

I could go on. But you get the idea.

 

Holy crap 12, that's an excellent post, and I'm a Brady "supporter", or was....

Well done!

 

And I forgot about this:

[video=youtube;_qxhLGtCCtE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qxhLGtCCtE[/video]

 

I'm not advocating rooting for injuries and really don't condone that thought but I really wish that slide would have taken both those players out. Reed with an injured groin and Marsha with a blown out knee.

 

Nicely stated....

 

I don't recall Montana ever doing that!

 

This is clearly evident. They mock what they can't understand.

 

Sorry to correct you, but "power angry" is two words, hence it cannot be a "made up word."

 

You're going to keep pushing it huh?

Your logic has been continually defeated. I have not seen many agree with anything you post. Do you think it could possibly be that you're wrong?

Must be everyone else right?

 

Pretty sure he meant "phrase"?
Somehow I think you knew that though?

 

Somebody really pays for those thoughts? Really?