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Antonio Brown Considering Holding Out For New Deal?

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by TerribleTowelFlying, Apr 20, 2015.

  1. PWP

    PWP Well-Known Member

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    Exactly my take after I realized he still had 3 years left. As stated above if these players want to hold the Team hostage when they play well , then the Teams should be able to dock there pay for poor play as well.

    I am all for an incentive based Contracts . The more these guys keep doing this the more I think Teams should be moving in that direction . Just give these damn guys a base salary based on their position and then set the incentives for them to earn the money.

    You play well you get paid you don't then you don't . Stop this crap I signed the contract and agreed to the Terms ,but now I want more BS.
     
  2. biggbunch68

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    LOL Piss on him?? We dont even kno the story, , and peeps are bad mouthing him,. Yall crack me up sometimes. The Steelers will , take care of this problem, ,one way or another.. if it becomes a prob, and there is nothing any of us can to abt it ... so why sweat over what you cant controll??
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    How is that bad mouthing him? If hes holding out yes, piss on him. Whats the confusion:shrug:
     
  4. SteelerGlenn

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    I agree, but at the same time if the team has the option to cut you at any time without honoring the contract, then they kinda open their self up to this type of thing. Can't have it both ways.
     
  5. SC Gamecock

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    Seems pretty cut and dry to me...
     
  6. biggbunch68

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    Is he holding out??, , i Didn,t realize camp has started yet.. , And im not talking abt this lil thing they are having this week , thats nothing
     
  7. biggbunch68

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    :this!:
     
  8. SC Gamecock

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    IF......IF.....IF if....he holds out, PISS ON HIM. That's what the original comment said, IF
     
  9. biggbunch68

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    HE IS NOT GONA HOLD OUT!!!,
     
  10. Jammasterc

    Jammasterc Well-Known Member

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    Good don't work out.
    Just wait until that first drop.
     
  11. SteelerGlenn

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    Man I hope not! Doesn't really seem like something he would do.
     
  12. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    :facepalm: isn't that what we are discussing here? There is a story breaking that he may want a new contract and will hold out to get it. If thats the case, I don't think they should give in. Are we clear on this yet?





    :lolol: SC is agreeing with me.
     
  13. biggbunch68

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    it's not that funny:cool:
     
  14. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I thought it was, you're disagreeing with me and turning around and agreeing with a guy who is agreeing with me :roflmao:
     
  15. lloyddestroy

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    Bull sh---, bull sh---, bull sh---. I fully expected this and I don't blame AB one bit, not even close. he is CLEARLY among the very best players in the entire NFL and certainly at LEAST in the top 3 of all WRs, and one could easily argue he is the very best. But look where he is on highest list of WRs.

    http://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver/

    14th? Not even top 5. Not even top 10.

    And don't give me this crap about "well he signed the contract he should live up to it" BS. If a player and team sign a contract and the player doesn't live up to it he is made to restructure or he gets cut. How is that fair? If it was in the ball park, say, he signed a top 14 deal and played at a top 10 level, that is one thing. But when you are arguably the very best in the NFL but get paid 14th, that is crap. The team should step up and give him a new deal. It is the right thing to do. And before some bozo says, "Well I'd like to make the $ he is and would be happy about it" that is garbage too. AB is earning his value. Player only have a short period of years to earn. He clearly is out-earning his pay. They should be happy they got him for the # of years of bargain basement pay they got him. Pay the man. AB is a major reason we didn't have losing seasons in 2012 and 2013 and won the div. in 2014. Take him off this team and we easily lose at least 3 more games a season.

    The team routinely asks for a reduced deal or cuts players if they don't live up to their deals. Fair is fair. When a player blows his contract #s out of the water, they should be willing to give a higher deal. Don't be F-n hypocrites. Do the right thing.

    Fair is fair.

    [video=youtube;ClVGVsXyY-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClVGVsXyY-c[/video]
     
  16. biggbunch68

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    WELL SAID:applaud:
     
  17. CK 13

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    Not good news. With the Heyward contract looming, and Decastro next season, oh and if they decide to extend Beachum this year to where does the money come from for a new deal? I don't believe he gets a new deal. Then can trade him. They can get more then a 1st for him. Reports say the draft is receiver heavy. Brown was a 6th round pick. Yes he is a top 5 receiver and I don't want to see him go but this is not the time for this crap. The Rooney's won't give in. They will just fine him if he doesn't report to training camp and if he holds out during the season.

    From Albert Breer NFL Reporter:

    The truth is, teams have plenty of levers to pull. There's the aforementioned $70,000 fine for skipping a mandatory minicamp. There's the penalty -- up to $30,000 -- they can assess the player for every missed day of training camp. They can also dock each guy the equivalent of a game check -- 1/17th of his salary -- for missing a preseason contest. And if an under-contract player doesn't report by Aug. 5, he loses an accrued season.
     
  18. Blast Furnace

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    Give me a break. Again, IF this is all true (Bigbunch is very upset about all this speculation) but IF it is true, the Steelers shouldn't budge and probably won't given their history handling contracts.

    I want Heyward signed long term, and to a lesser degree Beachum. After those two and seeing whats left after signing the draft class, if the Steelers wish to engage in talks, fine but I wouldn't. One thing they do well is find WR's.
     
  19. lloyddestroy

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    Oh, but they give Ben a new deal earlier than they had to, and we all applaud it. But AB is being MASSIVELY underpaid but we say "piss on him" for wanting to be paid fairly? Your position is radically illogical. You think someone being massively underpaid, who is among the very best in his position, is out of line by wanting to be paid fairly. The team asks players to take lesser deals than they signed for, or get cut all together, but you think a player is out of line for wanting a new deal when they are radically outperforming their current one? Thank God you are not my boss or father. You thought model is excessively out of line on the basis of logic and you don't even realize it.
     
  20. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I'd fire your ass just for being so illogical :lolol:

    First of all, they waited longer than usual to deal with Ben, they normally extend QB's with 2 years left on the deal.

    Secondly, my stance is for the team, how is bowing to AB's contract demands favorable to the overall benefit to the team? You're a player first guy, ok, good for you, I'm not.

    So by your logic, every time a player signs a contract he should hold out the moment he is outperforming his value no matter how much time is left on that contract and how detrimental it is to the team?

    Glad you dont run the Steelers. They'd have a nice weight room but no players.
     
  21. SGSteeler

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    This. Absolutely this. Well said Lloyd. AB has earned it. You don't piss on players that outperform their contract... Especially someone like AB who has busted his a$$ for it. He's earned a higher paycheck, we should just pay him.
     
  22. SGSteeler

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    How does this make him not team first? Why should he be happy that his current contract makes him an ENORMOUS bargain for the Steelers? Having AB on the team is beneficial to the team, not low balling him then basically forcing him out in a few years. He signed a good contract a few years ago when he was unproven, and worked his a$$ off to be great... And he is. He is a great WR (possibly the best in the league) and now the play is "piss on you and your hard work. You signed your deal, now play for it even though you're worth more"? Come on. Pay the man. Im sure we can find something that works relatively pain free.
     
  23. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    And whats stopping him from turning around in 2 more seasons and demanding another new contract? Do you guys like how Revis handles his business? because that is what you are inviting if the Steelers give in. Which won't happen by the way, he'll be fined until he plays or traded.
     
  24. Steel_Elvis

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    I'd like to point out one more piece of data. His dead money this season will be a bit under 9.7 million if we trade him for a pick in the upcoming draft. That's about the same as his cap hit on the roster. So, from a dollars and cents perspective trading him is about breakeven for cap purposes.
     
  25. 58stillers

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    Did Antonio give back any of his $8.5M fully guaranteed signing bonus after his crappy 2012 season? No

    Did the Steelers ask to renegotiate his contract in 2012 after only 66 receptions and 787 yards? No

    Did Antonio live up to his expectations in 2013? Yes

    Did he exceed his expectations in 2014? Yes, no, maybe?

    I'd argue that his 3 years under contract were worth exactly what the steelers paid for, even if there were swings up and down. AB and his agent wanted a long term deal and that's what he got, 6 years. Suck it up buttercup and play out until you have 1 year left on your contract and then talk about hold outs or new contracts. Ask Hines how that worked for him.
     

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