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Rooney won't rule out tagging Worilds again?????

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by turtle, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    that was the players vote BF.:cool:
     
  2. contract

    contract Well-Known Member

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    yep
     
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  4. rmorphy

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    Worst decision ever, if it happens. For 12 million you can have Justin Houston, and we KNOW he is awesome.
     
  5. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    that still doesn't compare to starks being a better LT as you say he would have been shot for. starks was never in the top half of tackles in the league , ever. beachum has done quite a good job for us compared to starks. his cost to the team is by far lower than starks also. let's figure the sacks per dollar bill spent. big difference. a couple of his sacks given him this year were also iffy as to being the culprit. make no mistake we are in far better shape at that spot then we have been in years under starks.:cool:
     
  6. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    I know it was the players voting but I thought the Rooneys were in agreement that there should be a panel like Troy suggested that has ex players involved to decide fines.
     
  7. freakfontana

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    let's get back to the topic ...NO WORILDS TAG please :facepalm:
     
  8. steelersrule6

    steelersrule6 Well-Known Member

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    The Steelers aren't going after Justin Houston geez, they will re-sign Ben and maybe Heyward. Where in the heck are they going to get that money in free agency to spend on a player like Houston?
     
  9. rmorphy

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    Let Worlds walk! Cut some veterans like Troy, Ike, Kiesel.
     
  10. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    They can afford to tag Worilds this year, but not sign a productive free agent likely for less?
     
  11. freakfontana

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    well while i think houston is a lot better of worilds , the tag is 12 milion for one year , houston could want 12 milion a year for five years with a big sb ..anyway i would spend money for houston , not for worilds
     
  12. GB_Steel

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    I'd rather sign Worilds to a fair market contract than Houston. Should be a significant savings (at least $2-3mil) and signing FA's to big money scares me because:

    1) You never know how they'll do anywhere else but "home"
    2) You never know how they'll do after their first big pay day.

    Houston is the sexy pick, but Worilds is a lot more sensible, and he's ours.

    Would still prefer to sign Moats to a very reasonable offer than sign either Worilds or Houston, but if I had to choose between Worilds and Houston, I pick Worilds assuming he comes quite a bit cheaper.
     
  13. rmorphy

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    He's not ours yet! And I would much rather take a chance on a proven guy than Worilds, who has had a lot of chances to prove himself, and hasn't.
     
  14. freakfontana

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    :this!:
     
  15. Wardismvp

    Wardismvp Well-Known Member

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    And don't forget Mike Adams.
     
  16. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Ben probably calls him Mike Gilbert and probably calls Marcus Gilbert Marcus Adams.
     
  17. GB_Steel

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    Houston has proven nothing here, while Worilds had a great run last year and was our most dynamic pass rusher this year while also spending plenty of time in coverage. I think he has proven a lot during his limited playing time here and deserves a fair long term contract offer from us. $6-7mil/year for Worilds for me is a lot more sensible than $10-12mil/year for Houston.

    Teams don't see much success by dumping their own talented guys in favor of high-priced free agents. Worilds is home-grown so let's try to keep him here at a rate that benefits both parties. I think we see much more production from him next year playing behind a seasoned Tuitt rather than Cam Thomas.
     
  18. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    I agree with a lot of this. As a general rule, successful teams nurture and retain their own talent. The premise of this thread was tagging Worilds again which is pretty insane. If you're going to find that kind of money for someone who hasn't given that value of production, you can find that kind of money for someone who has. I'm for keeping Worilds, but the numbers will have to be on the lower side IMO.
     
  19. Steel_Elvis

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    TTF, when you say "lower side" are you thinking average starter money, or fringe starter/rotational player money? If it's the former, I'd rather move on. If the latter, then I could live with it. Personally that's what I think his play on the field justifies. He's good enough to start a series of games in place of an injured starter, and provide rotational depth. However, if he's one of our 2 starting OLBs I see our pass rush (and outside run defense on his side of the field) continuing to underperform.
     
  20. Steel_Elvis

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    On the whole Justin Houston thing - I can't imagine a scenario where he gets out of KC this season. To me, it's a no brainer that they apply the franchise tag if they can't work out an extension. If cap money is a problem, they may part ways with Tamba Hali and save $9 million against the cap.

    Now Hali would be an interesting possibility. He only had 6 sacks this season, but from what I've read he played hurt all year. He plays the right side (at least most of the time), so he goes up against left tackles. IMO we need a guy who can do that well. He's 31, but may have another 2-3 years of solid play in him. I'd probably prefer Harrison, but I can't help thinking this season was his last hurrah.
     
  21. TerribleTowelFlying

    TerribleTowelFlying Staff Member Site Admin Mod Team

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    Average starter money. This is what I think is the likely scenario vs what I think should happen mind you.

    The outside linebacker situation is sticky. You've got a guy who just made almost $10 Mil last year. I'm sure the Steelers would like to keep him, but that complicates negotiations. You've got other teams who need pass rushers who would view Worilds as an upgrade, and have more cap flow than the Steelers. This team needs better production from pass rushers, but what do you do? Overspend on Worilds? And what of Jarvis Jones?
     
  22. freakfontana

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    are you happy with worilds pass rush ? against the rats was pushing everywhere , not to mention he needs 3 months in the season to just call his name .. if i have to spend money i will look somewhere else
     
  23. Steel_Elvis

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    No doubt it's a tough situation. I think JJ should be on the left side in the spot currently held by Worilds for a variety of reasons, but mainly that I think he is better suited to rushing against slower RTs than quicker LTs. For similar - or lower - dollars, I would would prefer to take a chance on Jabaal Sheard or Brandon Graham than Worilds. I'd still want to go OLB high in the draft, but I'd want to do that if we retain Worilds too. For our defense to achieve elite status again, we need to upgrade the outside pass rush. I've seen enough to feel certain that Worilds as a starter falls short of helping us do that.
     
  24. turtle

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    First, I would re-sign Moats so we have a back-up plan. Plus he's a good player and we wouldn't be at the mercy of Worilds demands. I'd offer Worilds 6-7 mill and see how he responds. Throw in an incentive for sacks if he balks. Butler said he wants to drop the OLBs in coverage less, which might entice him to stay.

    Oh yea, and draft an OLB in the first two rounds too!!
     
  25. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes but what about the Worilds that was wreaking havoc the season before? Which one is he? He's shown he can do it, can he reach a level where he can do it consistently. IDK.

    I think it plays in his favor though that Butler is now the DC, Butler is a former LB who puts a premium on reaching the QB, could benefit Worilds.
     

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