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Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Lizard72, Jan 9, 2015.

  1. Busman

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    I stand corrected but the differential is 2. Ben should have had a better game. He is our QB and the game manager. There is a reason he was apologetic after the loss.
    He felt as though it was not up to par.

    He has all the weapons he needs and a high scoring offense. It's time to put it all togetther for the next 4 years and bring Pittsburgh a 7th.
     
  2. thorn058

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    Seriously? Ben should have been wetting his pants on that play not from being scared of the blitz but out of excitement. They line up 3 guys bunched on each side of the line add to that three down line men and that is 9 guys on the LOS with three of them bunched on each side meaning they had two guys left to cover the entire middle of the field and the deep ball. Ben should have been so giddy its not even funny. He sees that and the first play should be an audible to have Bryant or Brown running a quick slant to the middle. both guys get a step on whoever drops into coverage from that showing 9 and they burn it to the house since no one catches them lets call that play one, play two you check to a draw play that has your All pro center crashing left into the NT and your Probowl RG slaming right to open a gap in the middle of the line that Tate bursts through for 10, 15, 20 maybe 25 yards before they recover to get him. You show any QB in the NFL a look that shows all out blitz with nine guys but puts that many in tight to the LOS and leaves the middle of the field wide open they are calling an audible and torching the defense big time.
     
  3. thorn058

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    Sorry I am calling BS on the tired old excuse that its the oline's fault and Ben was under pressure. HE has faced a lot worse and done a lot better. From top to bottom this team was not prepared and while I won't single Ben out, I won't explain away poor play, missed receivers, and leaving plays on the field with the bad oline excuse. Haley didn't take it to the Ravens when they were leaving the middle of the field open, Ben who always wants the ball and wants to be the leader, the "MAN" didn't get it done, the OL was crap, the defense was average, the coaching was suspect, only bright spot was special teams because Jones went nowhere. Ravens came to play, Steelers were happy to be there.
     
  4. TerribleTowelFlying

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    There is little Ben could have done on that play. That gif is such a ridiculous example to use for 'Ben missed open receivers'. 1.67 seconds. That's approximately how long from the time the ball touches his hands to the time the defender's about to contact him. When AB has his hand up signalling he's open, the ball's already leaving his hand. He barely manages to find Tate, while stumbling and hopping off balance. He's supposed to get it to AB who's 27 yards away? Heath wasn't open when Ben spins to avoid the free blitzer. Bryant wasn't looking and his route didn't have time to develop.
     
  5. TerribleTowelFlying

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    There were 7 inside on the line, not 9. No one here knows what his audible options are obviously, but it's moot really since the Ravens only rushed 4 on that play and the protection still managed to allow a free corner blitzer and pressure from elsewhere. The inside of the field stays pretty well covered.
     
  6. Lizard72

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    That's all I'm saying there. Shouldn't have happened and they still didn't cover any of the receivers!
     
  7. thorn058

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    My mistake seven not nine but as the gif shows the gap in the middle is huge no way they recover in time to stop a first down run and you are right don't know what the audibles are but that look on defense is still begging to be exploited.
     
  8. JackAttack 5958

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    TTF, YOU could have hit AB on that play! ;)
     
  9. JAD

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    Blast, I actually agree with you on this. I've noticed in the past couple of years that when Ben gets hurried, hit a lot, and have his linemen bull rushed and backs into him, he locks down on a receiver or his throws are off usually high. Looks like he try's to rush the play some to avoid the sack. I just wish he would throw it away sometimes instead of taking the sack.
     
  10. PWP

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    Just a small break down of Ben I will add as I go if I have time . The first incomplete pass was a deep ball to Wheaton Ben broke contain and waited for Wheaton on the wheel route. He had Bryant 1 on 1 with a step early , but scrambled out . After he scrambled out Brown comes wide open across the middle as well Ben never ever looked.

    On the first sack Ben gave up WR open and Miller open both ran outs both wide open Ben looked it off and pulled the ball down and tried to step up and was sacked .

    On the play to end the drive Bryant goes in motion Miller runs the out Wheaton comes off clean on the wheel has 4 or 5 steps on the DB with single high safety shading the other half of field for Brown. Ben tries to force it to Miller . Not sure why he didn't throw the easy TD to Wheaton ?

    That's the first series and the pressure had nothing to do with the failure nor did the sack. It was simply Ben's poor choices of who to throw to. Not a I hate Ben thing just he was off and if you watch the 1st. series again you can see how bad.
     
  11. mac daddyo

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    not trying to discount you there chief, but if AB is 27 yards downfield at 1.67 seconds, he's a heck of a lot faster than I've ever given him credit for. that's like a 3 second 40. LOL sorry didn't mean to bust your chops, that just hit me. OK never mind you guys carry on the conversation. i'll shut up.:smiley1::cool:
     
  12. SC Gamecock

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    ​THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  13. PWP

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    Look above to the first series. Pressure had zero to do with it . If you have all 22 look at the 8.45 mark first Quarter Wheaton crossing the 20 the DB at the 25 Ben looking that way and throws to the tightly covered Miller ?
     
  14. TerribleTowelFlying

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    Perhaps, but you could have handed it off to him from that distance. ;-)
     
  15. TerribleTowelFlying

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    That would be amazing. :smiley1: I didn't say he was, though. Not sure how much time past between then and when the ball is touching Tate's fingertips. I was wrong though in that I didn't factor in AB's wide split. That adds some distance. :lolol:
     
  16. TerribleTowelFlying

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    I'm not sure what to say to that. Zero to do with it?
     
  17. PWP

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    OK I should have said nothing . The pocket is pretty clean both receivers are in the same throwing window one is blanketed and the other is pulling away . These are the things he needs to work on. He forced the 1st. throw when the WR was covered and being forced to the sideline and then the next time where the WR has more room and is pulling away he doesn't pull the trigger .

    To me it's like Ben says damn Wheaton couldn't get away from him last time he wont get open this time . Ben could have punted it back there .
     
  18. Blast Furnace

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    Bens always apologetic after a loss. 2 sacks is significant, seemed to be more pressure this game then the last one and as I said, no Bell, which is VERY significant. There was a lot contributing to this loss, Ben was some of it, the line was definitely some of it, the DB's were some of it, coaching, Bell not playing, lot to choose from.

    Even the poster boys of the league crumble under pressure, making a QB uncomfortable in the pocket matters, a lot. Didn't know that was even debatable. As I said to Bus, lot of reasons they lost.

    Thank you :applaud:

    I won't let it go to my head!
     
  19. mac daddyo

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    I know, just busting your chops a little chief. I just though holy snikees batman. 27 yards in 1.67, that's movin.:lolol::cool:
     
  20. blountforcetrauma

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    I know it's easy to make someone look "wide open" in a gif but that gif isn't taking something in to account and I'm talking about closing speed. Safeties, corners, and backers are so fast that even though a guy might look "wide open" when the ball leaves the qb's hands they might not be nearly as open when it gets there. I think for Ben to have hit AB OR Heath it would have taken a pretty speedy throw and I'm sure with that kind of pressure it would be hard to plant your feet and sling it with the velocity and accuracy to keep that safety from coming up and making a play on it. However, if the guys at Behind The Steel Curtain are good enough to make those throws then maybe we've found our next franchise qb. LOL. Just Kidding and I know that we didn't play a great game but the fact is that's two plays and in every game there are plays like that which you can point to. If anything, these gifs say more about the line than they do Ben. We know the line still has a ways to go and this is more evidence of that than anything. I bet there are actually a lot of plays with missed blocks where Bell made something out of them anyway and covered a little for the line. We didn't have anyone on the field that could do that in this game, unfortunately.
     
  21. mac daddyo

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    yes you would let it go to your head. LOL:lolol::cool:
     
  22. Blast Furnace

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    I knew you were going to say that :lolol:
     
  23. blountforcetrauma

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    The brains you have have went to your head.
     
  24. PWP

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    On to sack #2 as it has some clear things to watch as well. We drive it nicely to the 21 . Ben has Brown right in front for a positive gain maybe more. You can see Ben knows Dummerville is getting the edge he stays in there trying to make a last minute escape which doesn't work of course .

    The next problem I have with this play is Archer chips and releases he is in the flat with a 280 lbs. LB 15 yards away so Ben had two choices hit Brown or throw to Archer . The exact same play Archer scored and got called back later.

    This is all the break down I can stand I am going into mass depression . Plenty enough for me to see Ben did have a bad game it wasn't just lip service . The first 2 sacks he didn't have to give up , not only should he have not given them up they were both probable scoring plays. 1 to Wheaton and the 1 to Archer. This was at the beginning of the game did he come into the Stadium seeing Ghost ?
     
  25. mac daddyo

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    it is what it is and we move on. we lost, we didn't play well, and we can't get them back. every play in every game is different, many of them we would like to have back but never will. once ben gets comfy with other players, if he ever does will just add to our offense. I don't think he's ever been comfortable with wheaton the whole year. in crunch time he looks for guys he's done it with in the past. I wish he would change that thinking, but I doubt it at this point in his career. a handful of plays a year make such a difference, when he makes them we win, when he doesn't we lose. it is what it is.:cool:
     

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