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The "What-If" Game...

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by SC Gamecock, Jan 8, 2015.

  1. Steel_Elvis

    Steel_Elvis Staff Member Mod Team

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    BF - a critical distinction between the issue with youngsters learning the system then and now is that back then you had the rights to players for 6 years before they became unrestricted. Now it's 4 years. Plenty of recent examples of how that's impacted us recently (losing Lewis, signing Allen with too little of a resume, having to tag Worilds after 1/2y year of production). I'd hate to see that continue.
     
  2. bigsteelerfaninky

    bigsteelerfaninky Well-Known Member

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    But it helps a lot :smiley1:
     
  3. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yes, that part has been a valid argument but aren't the players seeing the field quicker now? JJ, Shazier, Tuitt.Vince, all have gotten on the field much quicker. Unfortunately JJ and Shazier got hurt but thats not DL's fault.
     
  4. blountforcetrauma

    blountforcetrauma Well-Known Member

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    Woodley and Timmons actually saw the field pretty early in their days as well. In their second year they were both starting weren't they? Also we won the Super Bowl and Woodley played like a beast.
     
  5. SC Gamecock

    SC Gamecock

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    Those were the days :facepalm:
     
  6. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    Guys like us, we had it made... :)
     
  7. SC Gamecock

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    If we had him in his prime last weekend, we win
     
  8. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    Timmons not so much, it was into year 3 that he finally got full time starting chances.:cool:
     
  9. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    And quite honestly he still looked lost at times a couple of years after that.
     
  10. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    your right. it took a long time for him to get here.:cool:
     
  11. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    That's what concerns me. Is it going to take that long in DL's system for Shazier to become the playmaker he was in college because he's so confused trying to figure out the great LeBeau's complicated formula that it inhibits his natural playmaking ability? IT CAN'T! We need a DC that can put these guys in position to take advantage of their playmaking ability NOW and not one that's determined just to make them another cog in the machine.
     
  12. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    he's not superman. shazier is a good player and his speed has helped him. he had some lack luster moments at OSU too, so he still needs time to be coached.:cool:
     
  13. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    Yup. I mean, it was only his first season and he was injured, cant believe that suck ass didn't make All Pro.
     
  14. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    But you know what guys, I'd like to see some splash out of guys like JJ, Shazier, Shamarko. I realize they're young players and they're going to make mistakes, but even with rookies you ought to be able to see SOMETHING that says this guy has the goods. I don't doubt that Shazier is going to be very good. I'm concerned about JJ and would like to have seen more out of Shark in two year!

    I stand by my contention that DL's defense has these guys so uptight and so afraid they'll make a mistake that it inhibits their ability to make plays. I understand that there is a mental aspect of the game, but if the mental overpowers the physical and you're thinking too much, it hinders performance.

    It's a lot like golf. When you step up to the ball you've practiced your mechanics and swung the club thousands of times. It's time to step up to the ball and swing the club without thinking about the 24 different mechanical aspects of the golf swing. Same thing with football. When you step onto the field you're playing a game you've played since you were 5 years old. You shouldn't have to be thinking about the 24 schematic elements to this particular zone defense that's been called. You should be put in position to read and react, run to the ball and make a play. Less thinking, more playing!
     
  15. mac daddyo

    mac daddyo Well-Known Member

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    that's fine but you have guys on the other side that are trying to make you have to think. it's pretty complicated anyways in the NFL, if not anyone could do it. one guy just winging it can cause a whole lot of gaps for other players on the field in trying to do their jobs on any given play. they have to be in the right spot for what the offense is doing on any given play and that said offense isn't going to make it simple to help any defense. let's face it, it's not a simple game at this level.:cool:
     
  16. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    No, it's not simple but I think it can be over-complicated. You need to scheme for your opponent but you also don't need to make that scheme so complicated that your players may freeze up at crucial times. I've kind of poked fun at Tomlin saying "I'm a fundamentalist as opposed to scheme" but I really think there needs to be a balance between the two. The scheme simply needs to put players in position to make plays and then it's up to the player to block, tackle, run to the ball, create turnovers, etc. all very fundamental elements to the game of football.
     
  17. Blast Furnace

    Blast Furnace Staff Member Mod Team

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    You must have an ulcer the size of China :lolol:

    All this teeth gnashing will be for naught, if DL gets to stay, he'll return this unit to glory. I saw enough improvement during the course of the year to feel confident it's headed in the right direction. Certainly not there yet but with this draft and some FA additions, it will be close.

    Draft a OLB, even if Worilds stays, I'd like them too. I have more faith in JJ then you do, I think he takes a big step forward next year.

    Drafts a couple DB's (depending what they do in FA) I think Gay, Blake and McCain are a good trio to build around, get a couple studs in there and thats a solid unit. Still have high hopes for Shark and I think Mitchel will be better in year 2 and no nagging groin injuries. As people have pointed out, Clark wasn't any good in his first year. Cortez is a big question mark, mental projects always are, but if he plays like he is capable of, thats a big plus.

    Line is already solid, add some depth.

    I don't think the defense is far off at all.
     
  18. JackAttack 5958

    JackAttack 5958 Well-Known Member

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    I'm crying out for help, Blast! :)
     

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