Deion Sanders on Todd Haley?

Does this surprise anyone? I noticed it's not been pointed out but the reality is if people want to believe or not Deion would never blame Tomlin for anything. Haley will get blamed because he's a bit different than Deion and Tomlin. Keyshaun Johnson does the same thing. African American coaches and QBs are constantly defended by African American media (usually former players). I know I'm generalizing a bit. But ask yourself, when was the last time you heard an African American media member that was a former player criticize a current African American coach or QB?

 

So you're saying it's a race thing? I just want to be clear about that.

 

What I'm saying is, African American media members that are formal players (Deion, Keyshaun, Ray Lewis, Sharpe) will never ever criticize an African American Coach or QB. So Tomlin will get a free pass from them. Again, if you can prove me wrong on this will evidence of them doing that just post it.

 

That's what I was getting at TTF. There have been a couple of comments like that today. I noticed one in the gameday thread as well and I was afraid that was gonna turn in to something that could be offensive.

 

I think the takeaway here is: Following a coach with success is difficult, especially when the former leaves with a roster loaded in their prime. The new coach (Tomlin) comes in and is stupid to tear apart what is in place. The new coach, with the previously acquired/developed talent, has early success and sets unrealistic expectation. The other force at play here is the FO/organization. They become attached to the players that have created success and from a business perspective, they want to squeeze every drop of return out of their player investments. It's really a no win situation for the long-term. Two football coaches come to mind that were successful on the heels of their successful predecessor, Barry Switzer following Jimmy Johnson and George Seifert following Bill Walsh. Now, Seifert lasted longer than Switzer but the idea here is Seifert is no Bill Walsh...even though is winning % was better than Walsh.

I'm not a Tomlin Basher or Lover...errrr...but I do think he's not reaching the current players and he won't survive the transition we are currently in the midst of. I just don't think he's the long term solution...not that he's not capable. But, more that in order to completely right the ship a clean sweep must occur and let him buy the groceries...so to speak. But I don't the the FO can stomach the losses. I think our future head coach is Butler...that's just my opinion. One last thing...Cowher had the luxury of following a legend that instilled tradition but had played out his tenure with "his" guys. Cowher came along when new blood was needed and he had to re-tool the team, with his guys--full roster overhaul. What makes the current situation difficult is...it's not as though the team is talentless. The D is still formidable, it's the ineptness on offense and the fact that it has been such for most of Tomlin's tenure...and he can't fix it. At some point Coach T, you have to s##t or get off the pot.

 

First let me say, that I wanted BA fired, Thank you Rooney's. I was not enamored with the Todd Haley hiring, I am not going to stick up for Todd Haley because I don't like his play calling.But any reasonable fan has to ask themselves, can you actually gauge Todd Haley's offense when the QB does not have time to set up to make a play? Are we being fair as fans to judge this offense when your 100 million dollar qb can't even set his feet to throw? I believe in the Rooney's, they are good football people, but I think they should really set down and take a broad look at where they are at, at this moment and ask themselves, can we do better? Please make somebody
accountable, even if it is yourself. Will somebody step up?

 

Well they could not run the ball worth a crap and Ben was getting mauled so what kind of play would you have Haley call?

Bman

 

This right here is the problem.

To add to it: I'm pretty sure that the 1 yard passes were based on Ben's read, not Haley's call. Unless Haley was meant to be called hail mary's at the 4 yeard line.

 

Trips right double reverse screen Qb wheel throwback.LOL
On the 4 real ,if all base plays will not work thts the time to go to the bag of tricks.
Hook and later, Reverses,flea flickers,quick traps,counters, basically anything non vanillia because we couldn't execute a normal play might as well have some fun and see what happens.

 

Good one PWP. You have to have the personnel for those types of plays in order to execute. Clearly we dont have that.

Haley is not a magician lol

Bman

 

This is why he gets the big bucks. He is supposed to solve this problem. I am not passing judgement yet but he was brought in to bring back the run, to restore Steeler football and he hasn't.

 

lol. so the offense comes out and looks absolutely terrible, and sanders is out of line to criticize the OC and it's all racial? your logic astounds me. exactly what is the OC responsible for if not the play of the offense? though nobody here seems to understand the roles of the various coaches, Tomlin isn't responsible for running the offense. His job is to put coaches in place that will execute the type of offense and defense that he wants to run. unfortunately, it appears that Art the second wants to make those decisions now, and probably personnel. so now Tomlin has a team that either doesn't have the personnel for the system he's being forced to run, or he's trying to run a system without the personnel of his choice. either way, the cause of the poor play is the same. the steelers, for the first time since I started watching them in the 70's as a child, now have a meddling, over involved owner who thinks he knows more than the football people.

 

I agree, over the last 3 years this team has went into decline, it started with letting Tebow beat us in a playoff game that we should have easily won, last years 8-8 team was bad, but, after their performance yesterday, or more like, lack of performance yesterday, this could be the worst team in the league and has a good chance to be the worst team in steeler history, maybe even become the recipient of the first pick in the 2014 draft.......

 

This is what happened with the Jets and the OC Shottnheimer, they said Schotty was holding back Sanchez and when he got fired Sanchez got worse. What the reality of the situation was is Schotty knew what he had as a QB so he kept it simple and conservative, he knew that they may not score but they would be giving the ball away, maybe the defense could win field position. We screamed for BA to be gone because of his play calling but think about, I'm willing to bet BA called a game to make use of what kind of player he had, he called plays that had Ben looking to middle of the field and when it broke down he made plays by escaping. Haley has Ben trying to stay in the pocket and so he tries to do it but the speed at which the pocket is breaking down isn't even allowing him any place to escape to. Maybe the Rooney's should reach out to Russ Grimm and pay him a HC salary to get the OL in shape, that is something he might be willing to do if the money was right.

 

As far as Belcheat is concerned, he couldn't build a team in Cleveland, he is just flat out lucky that they have a solid OL to protect their franchise QB, nothing more. They get good draft picks as they have talent they can afford to trade to a lot of desperate teams so they always end up with multiple picks and the more you get the better the odds that you end up with a talent. He is also fortunate that the injury bug has hit his team as hard as others, and yes, it is luck because he takes a lot of chances because he likes to run the score up when he has a team beat, one day he will lose a key starter and the crap will roll but right now he is just lucky. I didn't say he isn't a good coach but I saw his act in Cleveland and he didn't produce anything there because he didn't land the quality QB he has now, in fact Tom Brady would have bounced around the league as a back up had Drew Bledsoe never got hurt, a lot of luck, the same way Maddox got hurt in 04 and we found what we had in Ben.

 

No, but you're in a position where you have to score twice with under two minutes to play. Whether it was the Titans or Steelers that created our inability to run the only viable option is to pass. But, you have to pass into the endzone not in the flats where your RB is getting tackled for a loss which keeps the clock running. Everyone here knows you've got a man crush for Haley and Redman, but the plays he called there were beyond asinine.

 

I dislike Billy as much as the next guy, but reducing 3 Super Bowl wins and 5 trips there to luck is a bit obtuse. I'm aware of his run in Cleaveland am also aware of his dominance the past decade. By your rationale, all Super Bowl winning coaches win via luck. Bill Walsh, Lucy to have Montana/Rice etc. Noll, Lucky to have steel curtain/ Bradshaw etc. jimmy Johnson's... You get the picture. Much of winning has more to do with ownership than the average fan would know. Cleaveland = poor ownership = poor team.

 

You must not have been paying attention. His sole purpose in life is to whine about Tomlin.

 

I was just thinking yesterday that I would love to have Russ Grimm back.