Passing on Lamar Jackson

Tomlin retired

You can move on

 

Remarkably low?! How about impossible for that is the correct answer.


Lamar does not have the anticipation, overall footwork, pocket poise, release speed nor arm talent to get close to Stafford. People tend to forget how special a thrower of the football Matthew Stafford was coming out of Georgia. Lamar has gotten better passing the football but isnt in the same domain as Stafford ever was in his prime.


In short?! As far as pure passing goes, Matthew Stafford ragdolls Lamar Jackson and it isnt a pretty sight.

 

Ah. I misinterpreted your statement then. My mistake. Thought you were merely talking about Lamar's skills from the passing based domain of the position.


Regardless, for me, the window shut in 2023. Don't think I will see a Ravens team that stacked again for a while.

 

If You gave him Lamars legs he wouldn't have been a great passer. When You can take off You don't work on the things you should until it's too late. How many times have You seen guys like Lamar, and Cam Newton , and I'm naming them because I've seen it, during the off season working on RB drills, I know I have many times. It makes me laugh. Running is not Your weakness.

 

This.....100%.
It's almost as if I wrote this.

 

I think it makes all the difference that Lamar is a runner, and Marino wasn't. Lamar's running is great in the regular season, but in the playoffs you face better defenses who can shut that down. Then the QB has to be a great passer, and Lamar isn't nor will he be. I would take a statue in the pocket who is a great passer over a running QB who isn't as good a passer every time. You have to be a great passer to win a super bowl.*

*Or have a really great defense.

 

Disagree that Lamar will ever be a good enough passer to ever get through the playoffs.

 

I never got that. He was at Pitt. Even if they did not share a facility and have contact with him, did they not have a close enough contact to ask?

 

Im not sure what you mean by a QB thing? I think having a good QB is crucial for winning games and I think Lamar Jackson is a good QB so I would like him on my team to win games. That is different from saying QB's are solely responsible for all wins and losses.

 

If this is true... then the League MVP Award has seriously lost it's value. LJ has won it twice. Seems like the criteria for League MVP needs to be adjusted.

 

This is a regular season award....And we could say Lamar deserved the MVP in 2024 when he had 41 TDs, 4 INTs, 4000 passing yards and almost 1000 rushing yards, but he didn't win the MVP... Maybe the reason he didn't win MVP was because of his past playoff problems.The ravens were also 12-5 that year despite their pass defense was hot garbage for the first 10 games

 

I wasn't addressing you, but since You ask ,my deal is with people saying Qb are , or aren't responsible for wins. Apparently the NFL believes they are, otherwise Lamar Jackson wouldn't have won his last MVP since 5 other Qbs had better, or the same stats as Lamar, but Lamar had more wins, or let's use the Burrow example, he had better overall TDs, and yards than any Qb two years ago, but because his team didn't win , he wasn't even considered in the MVP voting. So people can't say on one hand Qbs wins don't matter, and MVP are a individual award, and yet the NFL in its voting says its not.

 

Oh, I was quoted in your response so I thought it was in reference to my post. But I will say on the MVP, you cant seperate it from wins and make it purely a stat award because QB's on bad teams have more opportunity to pad stats. Burrow for example had a terrible defense so he had no choice but to keep scoring. The MVP is also something you can only give to one player so there will always be plenty of of other players who get slighted.

 

I agree, but the MVP is , and had been based on wins, or like I said Lamar Jackson wouldn't have won his last one years ago. There were 5 Qbs with as many overall tds, and overall yards as he had, or more, and yet they gave it to the Qb with the most wins

 

I am fairly certain they did not share a facility when Marino was there. That came later.

I don't buy the idea that the Dolphins started the rumor and fooled everyone. I think Noll fooled himself into thinking he could get a few more years out of Bradshaw. I also think he heard enough about Marino to be concerned, especially after seeing what drugs did to Joe Gilliam. Those things combined were enough to steer him to Rivera instead.

 

That's as good a theory as any I've heard. We will never know.

 

For me, the League MVP criteria has been in flux since 2002. From 2002 onwards, literally nothing but QBs sans the occasional RB. Even if I were to award the NFL that the award was based purely on stats, why is it that J.J Watt received very little votes despite having the most dominant season by a Defensive Player since LT's 1986 Campaign?! By virtue of the award, it should belong to the most dominant player absent of importance of position. Clearly didn't work then.

 

No, we won't. I'm just piecing together what I've heard and read over the years and taking my best stab at it. I am certain that there was at least some fire causing that smoke, but nothing like Gilliam, whose addiction ended up ruining his career and much of his life.

 

Goff
Jackson

 

Could be all 4 don't, we shall see.

 

Burrow

Jackson

 

Allen blew a good opportunity to get to the Super Bowl last year, there was no Mahomes, Lamar, or Burrow in the playoffs the Bills window could be closing.