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I was just going off the top of my head didn't look it up.

 

Is there a world where both Eli and Kaleb Johnson both make the roster?

Eli is a fun story, but I see him on the practice squad.

Not sure how Eli's military commitment works if he doesn't make the Steelers 53-man roster and becomes unemployed when the season begins

 

Yes. It's not impossible, I'm not too sure it's likely, but it's far from impossible

 

Rodgers was at that level in 4 games last season, and he was a starter. All four were losses.

 

I think the moniker you are looking for to get your point across to everyone who is obsessing about apparent hate for Mason is that they need a proven winner at the veteran backup QB position. I would have taken a Cousins over Trubisky. They don't need a Fields, Winston, Smith, or any other failed QB looking for the right rehab situation. They need a guy that can win a game but also not lose a game as well.

 

Deferred until his quest for a football career is done.

 

My point is exactly what I said. That may be the TEAM'S plan, not yours.

Why wouldn't another team try to get Howard or Allar if they sign them to the practice squad? They aren't giving up anything to get them.

I have no idea how things are going to work out this season. Until a few days ago, I didn't know for sure that Rodgers would even be the quarterback here. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not one of the people here that predict doom and gloom for the team. I tend to be an optimist.

The team has a chance to be very good this year if a bunch of things work out well for them.

The one thing we do know is that Aaron Rodgers isn't going to be the future quarterback of the Steelers. Someone else has to be that guy. If they lose that guy to another team because they chose to keep the more experienced Mason Rudolph on the roster, it will go down as one of the biggest blunders in the history of football.

 

You're not wrong, but the point that I believe @S.T.D is trying to make is, If they're going to put the future on hold, bringing Rodgers back and hiring the old safe coach, instead of the youth movement, then they'll probably commit to it by giving themselves the best chance to win this year. Which means that MR, or some other veteran QB, would likely be chosen over someone with no experience to be the backup. It has nothing to do with whether you or I believe Howard is/could be better long term.

It's not what I want but I can at least understand the thought process from their perspective, don't go halfway 'all in".

 

Mason has been told his snaps will be limited

Thats not a good or bad thing

They just want to see what they have in Allard and Howard while keeping AR warned up

They will not look for another vet to replace Mason or they already would have

They know what they have in Mason

If one of the youngsters shows that they can carry the backup load Mason will be gone

Otherwise the less of the two young guys will be stashed somewhere either IR or PS

Allar most certainly is not PS candidate

 

I know what he means, but if Rodgers goes down with a big injury I don't see Rudolph leading this team anywhere. I would rather see youth be learning and being developed while still trying to win.

Also, he has no idea how well Howard will play this season. He may be an improvement over Rudolph for all we know.

Experienced quarterbacks that suck just suck with more experience.

Rudolph is 1-6 in his last seven professional starts. How is that dude going to save the season if Rodgers goes down? He's not leading them to a Super Bowl. The team needs to start finding out who the future quarterback is going to be. The one thing we know is that Mason Rudolph is NOT the answer as quarterback of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Time to find the next one, and they need to assess as many as they can...as quickly as they can.

If they do decide to keep Rudolph, who gets all the snaps in practice that can be used to at least try to develop some limited experience? Do they give those snaps to Rudolph so he is ready to ride in and save the day, or do they give them to the one or two players that they need to know whether or not they can play the game and become a future option? If they give the snaps to Rudolph, those players are basically just watching with almost no hands-on experience heading into next year, and Rodgers has already said that this year is it for him and he is retiring. How does that help this team long-term.

What if the team goes 2-6 in the first eight games? Do you then pull Rodgers, ignore Rudolph, and play the one young player that hasn't been prepared to play from the beginning?

I'm sorry, but it doesn't make much sense unless they think either Howard or Allar suck and will never be anything, and I don't know how that is possible for them to know when they have played so little pro football.

 

Biggest Winner so far: Will Howard

 

seems the coaching staff has made it clear for now.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...S&cvid=6a11811beadd4cae9637b3fa0d842447&ei=19

 

I believe the 'win this year' approach for a reason few are bringing up. For a couple of players, this will likely be their last, best chance at a SB before their careers end. Heyward and Watt (who has never even won a playoff game). Maybe even throw Boz in there as well. He's likely on his last contract with the Steelers.

So after Rodgers it's on to the great unknown at QB for maybe a decade or more for the Steelers. Once this gets underway, we are looking at at least two or three seasons for every QB they draft in the high rounds to be given a chance. The seasons could stack up quickly. Some of us have already lived through that as fans. That's the pessimistic (realistic?) view. The optimist says the Steelers already have their next franchise QB on the roster and they are ready to compete in just a year or two. Color me skeptical at this point.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nf...&cvpid=f8512938a7bd4873b97a23e980e98682&ei=22

times they are a changing here.

 

I'm cautiously optimistic. Practice with a purpose and not just playing catch

 

And I believe you forget to mention those of us that just want a NFL experienced Qb on the team besides Rodgers. Like I said too many on here are making this a Mason thing, and I know it's true, because almost to a man it's guys that have wanted him gone for years.
I on the other hand don't give a dang if it's him, or any experienced backup Qb that I have seen actually win games in this league, be it Mason, Fields, NOT Trubisky, Rush, or whomever, I don't want to go into the season without one, but whomever it is, I like them to get them in here so they know the system, and the checks.

 

1. Have we seen Mason win multiple games here, yes , or No?
2. Is he already here, under contract, and learning the system, the calls, and the checks, yes , or No?
3. This him(Mason)going 1-6 in his last 7 games, was that here , or elsewhere? Didn't Rodgers lose a bunch of games with the Jets before he got here? Fields?
4. Is Mason the only Qb to lose games in the NFL ?
5. For the umpteenth time, I don't give a f**k if it's Mason, Fields, C. Rush, or whomever, but I want a Qb that I have actually seen win games in the regular season of the NFL somewhere backing up Rodgers.
6. Even though I've said numerous time what I said in number 5. still people keep saying Mason, and that is a very telling thing in itself. Think about it.

 

This, this, this , this, but some can't get past the name Mason, even though I've said countless times, I don't care who it is, as long as it's a Qb that I've actually seen win games in the NFL. Others can't get past their Love for the Qbs they admired, or rooted for in college.
As You pointed out, all I'm saying is they seem to be all in for this season, and if Your all in, why would you risk a few games , and not making the playoffs by not having a backup, whomever that is, that You know can win games in the NFL?? I don't know why this is so hard to understand.
Maybe because I wasn't, and I'm not a fan of Mason ,Allar, or Howard before they put on the Black, and Gold, and so therefore I'm only looking at it from the Steelers perspective, and not a personal thing. I don't know

 

All I gotta say is different is better than same because same wasn't working.

 

1. Yes, we've seen Mason win multiple games here. We've seen a bunch of quarterbacks win multiple games here. It doesn't mean I want any of them to get in the way of a potential STARTING quarterback from being developed.

2. What does Rudolph being here and under contract have to do with anything? He is learning a new system, just like the other two younger players on the roster. He has never played in McCarthy's offense before, so this point does not matter at all. Not one freaking bit.

3. So whatever Rudolph did over his entire career doesn't mean anything? You're equivocating Mason freaking Rudolph to Aaron Rodgers? It's not really relevant or appropriate to compare Rudolph's career stats to one of the best quarterbacks of all-time. Do you agree, or no? Oh that's right, you already did compare them as if it's the same thing.

4A. Is Rudolph the only player to win games in the NFL? Yes or No? Again, what does this even mean and how is it relevant to anything?

4B. Will any other quarterback that has never won a game in the NFL be allowed to see the field anywhere in the NFL? Yes or No?

5A. So you want to see an experienced quarterback as a backup, even though the team's starter is 43 years-old and has announced he's retiring at the end of this season...and the backup quarterback is NOT good enough to be the starting quarterback going forward.....so next season they will have Mason Rudolph as the only experienced quarterback and the two young draft picks are still inexperienced and we know next to nothing about them because they've been parked in the garage for a couple seasons...and they may then have to draft another inexperienced quarterback to try to find the next starter? Yes or No?

5B. Also, are the Steelers allowed to ever play any inexperienced quarterbacks because they have no wins in the NFL, or should we just sign Mason Rudolph for life or any other castoffs that nobody wants anymore? Yes or No?

6. I don't care which experienced quarterback they choose to cut or not sign. I don't want one getting in the way of developing young quarterbacks as long as there is one here(Aaron Rodgers) to learn from. I don't have to think about it anymore than that.

For the umpteenth time, this isn't about Mason Rudolph. It is about finding the future starter of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Howard may be better in this system than Rudoph. Allar may be better in this system than Rudolph. You and I have no idea how these guys will play, yet you are insisting that the team has to have an experienced backup QB to enter games if Rodgers is injured. Howard and Allar may both be better than Rudolph right now. I don't care that they haven't won an NFL game yet. Every NFL quarterback that has ever played had no wins at one point. It's a silly argument to insist on an experienced backup when we have no idea how any of these guys will play.

Do you still want Rudolph or any experienced quarterback that ever won a single game in the NFL over Howard, even if Howard has outplayed him all training camp and preseason?

I can do this all day.

Come on man. You are getting all worked up over this.

Some of what you say makes sense in a normal year when you already have a starting quarterback, but this is not a normal year because they have two young quarterbacks that need to be evaluated and may already be better than Rudolph in this system. That's why it is so important that they find out if they can play.