My takeaways from Allar interviews, his receptiveness to coaching and his play in mini camp.

i like the receptive to coaching part. what the heck did you think he would do tell the coach no i'm not doing that, you're not the boss of me.

 

This is true

 

He is on a retreat in Lake Tahoe with the freemasons.

And

So he's AWOL.

Joel you know we have discussed your telling lies and your mom isn’t raising you that way.

If you want to gain respect on this board and in the world you need to be honest and honorable.

But I do admire your enthusiasm.

 

I watch them speak on tv and the web.


You said, " Almost all prospects sound good in interviews" Not they don't.


The Wonderlic isn't everything (it's a 12-minute, 50-question test on problem-solving, math, and verbal skills — roughly correlated with cognitive processing speed, but it does help flag processing/decision-making issues at the QB position, where you have to read defenses, make quick adjustments, and handle complex schemes. Low scores often correlate with bust risks, though excellent athleticism ( Lamar ) , and coaching can overcome some of it.Confirmed low scorers of 17 or below since 200.

• Lamar Jackson (13)
• Vince Young (6)
• Kenny Pickett (17)

Buyer beware!.

The Average QB Wonderlic score is 24-26. Super Bowl-winning QBs since 2000 average much higher ( 28-30+). Don't tell me this test means nothing! Studies show positive correlation with performance, but it's far from perfect. Athletic outliers like Lamar who is a world class athlete can overcome it, though I also think he went to the right team and coach. Most low scorers (<20) become busts, backups, or short-career guys. It weeds out the cliche ridden interviews who may look okay on interviews but can't handle the mental load in the NFL.

Most teams are not good at drafting QB's A reason why some of them suck.

 

Question #1 - How can a player not under contract be AWOL?

Question #2 - Steelers' brass has maintained that they are in regular contact with him. How does that lead to nobody knowing where he is?

 

Yeah, but there is verbal receptiveness and actual physical receptiveness. You can tell when someone is actively and enthusiastically working to adapt vs. just giving lip service.

 

Exactly

Good luck trying to explain it to the source

 

Joel once said Allar was going to be one of the best prospect EVER in college after his freshman year and had him going to the draft early even though he wasn’t even eligible. Because he was THAT good… lol.

He also claimed Allar had never thrown an INT.. in practice. How would he know that and if a QB isn’t throwing INT’s in practice he isn’t taking chances which is not good.

I have little faith in Allar. I think he sucks and has poor decision making skills once he is off his first progression. However, Franklin also sucked as a HC and either was too scared to turn Allar loose or he protected him from even more mistakes by taking the ball out of his hands.

In closing.. he has the physical tools and this is why he was a top prospect but he was awful vs good teams and he is the main reason Franklin got fired. High expectations and terrible results.

 

1. Public interviews are all just going to be generic chiche type stuff. No real questions. No real answers. If your question was something like "how marketable will this player be if they're good at football?" these kind of interviews would provide good data.
2. The stuff in purple doesn't really help you play QB. Problem solving maybe, but not like they test it here. Players also likely don't take this test very seriously.
3. Lamar Jackson won the NFL MVP 2x. Did you know that Greg McElroy Jr. scored a 48 on the Wonderlic? Did you even know that Greg McElroy existed? Is it buyer beware on the high scoring guys too?
4. Any citations for anything you said here? Average SB winning Wonderlic (Ben was 25, Mahomes 24, Manning 28, Brady did have a 33). Also all of these numbers are leaked I think, not official.
5. I'd love to see the studies that you're citing here re: correlation between Wonderlic and success. Especially since I don't think these scores are generally accessible (unlike something like combine 40 times).

This news article (which is admitedly older) says that the only two positions where there was a statistically significant correlation between Wonderlic scores and performance was TE and DB (The Lyons Study). That's the opposite of what you're saying. So, it would be interesting to see if there's any support for your claim here.

 

It's all fluff pieces right now.

 

Is this the same Joel who has “intelligent beings not from Earth exist and have interacted” with him

or

And the Joel who takes his “disclosure form high ranking politicians, officials testimonials of military people , and videos.

Any day all day over science”

Asking for a friend

 

Plumbing and finances go together
Money down the drain

 

I could use a good fluffier right about now

 

What is a fluffier?
I would prefer a qualified fluffer
Don’t think the wife would agree tho

 

I do not know your wife but she will not agree

noun. a person employed on a pornographic film set to ensure that male actors are kept aroused.

Go Yinz Stillers n ‘ at

 

oh for God's sake he's a rookie draft pick that better do and say all the right things if he wants a job.

 

Apparently Shedeur Sanders came close to that in his interviews.

 

Worse than him was his dad

 

what?

 

I thought you might ask

https://thesteelersfans.com/forums/threads/is-disclosure-actually-wise.36655/

 

ever wonder what porn stars do in their off time? do you entertain men or women in a chance for romance? do they go out looking for companionship? had a friend ask that one time many years ago and couldn't come up with a good answer.

 

What do you mean by “public interviews have no real questions”?


The real test the NFL uses to measure a quarterback’s football intelligence is the Wonderlic — a timed, 50-question exam taken at the Combine. That’s where the league actually sees how quickly they process information under pressure.Greg McElroy was a smart man but a bad NFL football player.He graduated from Alabama in just three years with a degree in business marketing and a 3.85 GPA. He applied for a Rhodes Scholarship in 2010 and later earned a Master of Science in sports management with a perfect 4.0 GPA. On the Wonderlic he scored a 43 (originally reported as 48). Ryan Fitzpatrick went to Harvard and posted a 48 — one of the highest scores ever recorded by a quarterback. Yet both were marginal NFL QB talents.. Does that explain their high scores? Yes — raw intelligence alone doesn’t make you a great NFL quarterback.
Compare that to Lamar Jackson. He scored a 13 on the Wonderlic (well below average). He’s a poor IQ man by that measure, but a world-class athlete who happened to land on a talented team with a great coach and system built for him. There are plenty of scores. Just do a web search.

Search “NFL quarterback Wonderlic scores” and you’ll see the full list. The numbers are public and consistent across multiple reports.If you research the topic, you’ll see the pattern: the better NFL quarterbacks — the ones who actually have the physical tools (arm talent, athleticism, size, etc.) — also score well on the Wonderlic, usually in the 24–40 range. The high-IQ guys without the physical traits (McElroy, Fitzpatrick) don’t make it. The elite athletes with lower scores can still dominate when the situation is right (Jackson). Intelligence matters, but it’s not everything — you still need the tools.

- JB

 

You are correct

A significant number and I believe well more than half sound like poorly educated hicks rappers and Bowery bums

 

Stop lying and produce the link where said this. You can't and won't.

I never said he was going to be the best prospect ever

Were you the guy who was anti Big 10 Qb's and felt their Qb were overrated? Yep.

 

Re: Questions No one is going to ask anything difficult in a public setting at this point in a rookie QB's career. Look at the KP interview above. Nothing hard to answer. Only things that he would have already answers a thousand times through the interview process (by people who matter...not journalists who are trying to puff him up).

The hard questions for Kenny came much later. After he got benched by a journeyman and refused to suit up as the QB3. But when he was where Aller is now (Howard too since we haven't seen him do anything bad in a Steelers uniform), it's all puff pieces.

Re: Wonderlic. I know what the Wonderlic is. It's a standard IQ test that the NFL makes players take despite them being in a very non-standard job. Scores on the test don't predict how good a player will be or how long their career would be (maybe smarter guys could be better long term backups...but they aren't). Which is why team (in aggregate) don't really care about these scores when they're drafting players. These aren't my opinions. They are results from the paper I found that studied these things.

You keep alluding to research you've done on this topic. Which is why I asked you to provide citations to what you're talking about. To which you replied "You [meaning me] should do some research".

I'm waiting for you to provide a link to the studies you said showed a positive correlation between Wonderlic score and NFL performance. I don't think they exist.

Here's another link from 2020 discussing the research done on the topic. Note that this is actual research done by people who get all of the official scores from the people who run the tests. Not leaked numbers that may or may not be real from your google search.

Note...I think I posted the wrong paper above. That one is about physical tests. Here is what I think the correct paper is: "Not Much More than g? An Examination of the Impact of Intelligence on NFL Performance". Note that the quote in red above is the lead author on this paper.

What the purple part means is the Wonderlic was not a good predictor of how good a player was, whether teams cared about the test scores when drafting them, and how long their career was. This paper appears to completely destroy your argument.

Book smarts has very, very little to do with whether or not you can play QB. Just like how professors in engineering are pretty great at doing Newtonian physics and trig. But that doesn't mean I can shoot like Steph Curry.

Again...if you have contradictory evidence from the "research" you've done, I'd love to see it. But sometimes when people argue on the internet they (1) haven't done any research themselves (despite being very confident about your conclusions), (2) tell the person they're arguing with to do their homework for them (as I've done here for you), and then (3) refuse to see the results of the HW that was done for them, scrub the interaction from their memory and go on believing the same thing they believed before. Confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.