This makes me feel a little better

Part of me wanted Tomlin to get the record for all-time worst playoff record and losses and he was nearing that goal rapidly. He'll probably win his first playoff game with his next team, but then it will be back to piling up losses, if he can even make the "half the league gets in" playoffs.

 

And this doesn't answer my question McDaniels was a massive failure twice at being a HC .

 

The only way to answer the question without proving you right was to move the goal post. You asked about being a HC, and they answer with OC. LoL

 

McDaniels is better than any OC Steelers have had since Arians moved on. I'd rank Haley slightly below him.

 

I agree, but that wasn't the question he put forth.

 

A "great" coach not having one single coach not be a head coach? That's bad. Regardless if it worked or not.

 

Well, Tomlin promoted Arians to OC and he went on to become a successful HC.

 

Arians was probably a better HC than coordinator. It happens. Tony Dungy, Bill Cowher too.... better HCs than coordinators. Tom Coughlin was wide receivers coach before HC.

Dick Lebeau, Wade Phillips, Vic Fangio, Vance Joseph.... better coordinators than HCs.

 

D. Lebeau, and Wade Phillips are two of the greatest DCs to ever coach, and both weren't very good HCs. It takes a lot more than just knowing your side of the ball.

 

To this day I don't understand how Arians is not from Tomlins coaching tree?? Most of the so called guys from so, and so coaching tree didn't start with them. Yet somehow only Tomlin is stuck with this rule.

 

Arians came from the Cowher staff.

 

Because Arians wasn't from the Tomlin staff. He was from the Cowher staff. Just like LeBeau was. If Arians had been hired by Tomlin from another team, than ya, it would be under him.

 

He was a freaking WR coach, Tomlin made the decision to keep him around and promote him to OC.

 

Do you need me to write it in Spanish? Bruce Arians was already there with the Steelers. Shall I type it again?

 

Arians was still with the steelers and Tomlin kept Arians for the continuity...same thing with Lebeau.But it was Cowher who had hired both of them with the Steelers....In the first few years, Tomlin was with Bill Cowher's staff and players and those were our best years under Tomlin!

Deal with it and move on!

 

Promoting Arians from WR coach to OC isn't continuity he could've went out and hired an experienced OC.

 

And Cowher doesn't deserve credit for Arians being a part of his coaching tree since he got a promotion with the next guy.

 

Moron, the mother ****ing guy was there already!!! Deal with what?!

So, if I hire your dumb ass into my business, and you work for me for a few years, and then I hire your boss a few years later, are you going to say that the boss that came after I hired you takes credit for it? Seriously, the fact that this discussion is still going on and you can't understand it is mind boggling.

Here's a little tidbit for you in case your brain continues to shrink. Don't you find it interesting that when the old regime players started to leave and retire, that the draft picks the Steelers kept picking were busting at a much higher rate than any time in the Super Bowl Era?

Did the Steelers forget what a good football player was out of nowhere? After years of good drafting? Bust after bust after bust. Head coaches job is to develop players just as much as is organizing the team. And Mike Tomlin not only absolutely sucked at developing good coaches, but never really developed players with any consistency. He was a dud and was overrated by a media that wanted him to succeed for alternative reasons. The Steelers program enabled him and the early year of his reign was supported by some of the best football players ive ever seen with a franchise QB in his prime.

These are facts, not fantasy. Now sit in this and deal with it you ignorant schlep rock.

 

See what I mean. LoL. Apparently you either skipped the part where others that are said to be of other coaches trees didn't start with them, which is exactly what Arians did, or you have double standards. Yet somehow either you people don't know this about other so called coaching trees, or You only hold this rule for Tomlin. You tell me which is it??
Example: Sean McVay coaching tree....
Kevin O'Connell HC for the Vikings ,not only was a coach on many other teams that McVay wasn't on, he was a OC for Washington before McVay, so how is he a McVay coaching tree, but Arians is not from Tomlins Coaching tree??
Need another Example??
Matt LaFleur HC of the Packers is said to be of McVay coaching tree, and yet he was a coach on the Falcons, and Washington before going to McVay, and on top of that ,after leaving McVay before getting a HC job he was a OC for the Titans, and Yet he is still considered a McVay coaching tree, and yet Arians isn't a Tomlin coaching tree. Make it make sense. Sounds like some are changing the rules for different coaches to be considered under a certain coaching tree. No???

 

Here, for the clowns out there that don't know **** but act like they do:

https://www.behindthesteelcurtain.c...-of-his-time-in-pittsburgh-ben-roethlisberger


Now, this will require some reading for the illiterates in here with basic comprehensive issues. Read it slow and make sure you learn something.

 

Mike Tomlin is the most overrated coach in sports during my lifetime. Trees, tree branches, it's all semantics. He didn't win a ****ing playoff game for a decade and morons kept kissing his ass and calling him great for **** he won in 2008! That's enough info, all this other stuff is just shoveling sand into the ocean.

 

Either some of You have different standards for different HC, or You don't know.
McVay 2 biggest so called coaching trees branches are Matt L the HC of the Packers, and Kevin O'Connell HC of the Vikings all of who were coaches on other teams before they came to McVay, and one was even a OC on a different team after they left McVay. So how are they a coaching tree McVay, but Arians isn't to Tomlin ???