Billy B...not 1st Ballot HoF. Will Ben also get screwed over?

If he leaves her a pile of money when he kicks off; no one should say she didn’t earn it.

 

That is some rough duty right there!

 

I like women that are naturally curvy, not a fake a$$ like a Kardashian.

 

Exactly this.

 

Agreed, but others were

 

I will say it again. Holmes didn't throw those passes to himself, and if Ben got hurt before that drive, Holmes doesn't get those passes. Another Qb would have been sacked 2-3 times on that drive , or gotten the ball out quickly not to, and Holmes wouldn't have gotten those catches.

 

Kind of like Milania

 

So using this logic, it should be impossible for a receiver to win a SB unless you catch a bomb from another receiver like Hines did as you can make that same argument any time a receiver was MVP. Per prior comment Stafford threw 2 picks but you think his backup wins that game?

Santonio Holmes Super Bowl XLIII Stats (MVP)

• Receptions: 9
• Receiving Yards: 131
• Touchdowns: 1 (game-winner with 35 seconds left)
• Impact: Recorded four receptions for 73 yards on the final game-winning drive.

Ben Roethlisberger Super Bowl XLIII Stats

• Completions/Attempts: 21/30
• Passing Yards: 256
• Touchdowns: 1
• Interceptions: 1
• Rushing: 3 attempts for 2 yards
• Passer Rating: 96.0

Santonio literally has never had a better performance in his career.

It was a very typical Roethlisberger game highlighted by ONE very clutch drive.

 

You really want to talk pre-last drive performance?

Bens stats:
Completions/Attempts: 17 / 24
Passing yards: ~168 yards
Touchdowns: 0
Interceptions: 1

So outside of Santonio Ben had 100 yards total a pick and zero TDs before he went near exclusive Santonio to win the game.

Outside of Santonio Ben was not even "good" that day.

Heck outside of that one drive with Santonio, Bens play in THREE SuperBowls would.not make.you think we were watching a HOFer period.

Goes back to my case that Ben was better MUCH BETTER against Jax despite the loss.

That same performance, in a SB, defense does not allow SEVENTEEN 4th quarter points, TDs to Brown(2) Bryant, Bell, and Juju (likely not needed) in comeback victory Ben not only is ABSOLUTELY would be MVP. Multiple pin point BOMBS.

It would be considered the greatest Steeler SuperBowl performance in history.

QBs get too much blame for losses and too much credit for wins.

 

When there is a heated debate over who on the Steelers deserved to be Super Bowl MVP then life is good

 

Its been awhile.

 

Staind
For the win

 

Or MrsJeh1856

 

A debate that is highlighted by the bias of the position no less as opposed to the objective truth. That is what is the kicker.

 

Nobody is making the case that Holmes had a HOF career like Ben.

But Holmes had an OUTSTANDING GAME in that SB. Even the part before the last drive that you dismissed, he had a disproportionate share of Bens production.
Before that last drive, the receiver POSITION had 2 catches outside of Holmes.

The last Steeler possession before "the drive" we were backed up in our endzone and Ben threw a 20 yard pass called back due to holding. Props to Ben.
The receiver? Holmes. But it that 20 yard catch didnt count.
The next Cardinal possession is when Fitz had that big TD to take the lead.

My point is that Holmes has a better "game". Ben had a great "drive", one in which he depended on Holmes almost exclusively. When the receiver has a great "game" because the QB relies on him massively for his production MVP is receiver. That is not Ben hate, it is what typically happens.

The argument that he did nothing without Ben can apply to a receiver in ANY GAME (save for the weird anomaly where Wards best catch was "not" from the QB).

Before Rice (possibly including Rice) Swann had 4 catches in the greatest receiver game in SB history. Anyone think Terrys BACKUP makes those throws? No. But Terry did jack squat that game apart from Swann who made catches that no other receiver makes.

Even if one thinks it is debatable, it is a far cry from some sort of injustice. Considering precedence, the MVP is obvious.

 

He's the guy that said Santonio Holmes was the only wide receiver on the roster capable of getting open to do the things he did on that drive in the Super Bowl, but apparently doesn't understand that he is admitting that Big Ben had inferior wide receivers to throw to. We already knew he was playing behind the worst offensive line to ever win a Super Bowl. That is the definition of dragging the offense to the win.

During the game, John Madden even said "That's just Ben being Superman." while he was running for his life and making plays because his offensive line couldn't protect him and receivers weren't getting open and he had to buy time to try to complete passes.

It's not that hard to figure out.

PFFT!!.....What does John Madden know about football?

 

On a Steeler forum he desperation of having to resort to quoting Madden only diminishes your point my brother.

 

Desperation?

If you say quoting a Hall of Fame coach watching a live NFL performance and seeing the entire field says something that disagrees with your argument somehow works against me, you're on the wrong side of it brother.

 

Just having a little fun with that.

Nobody disputes Ben had a great drive.
One in which he relied on Holmes almost exclusively.
Holmes had a better "game".
When QB relies on ONE receiver, he is typically voted MVP.

Please address my point that with your reasoning a receiver should almost never be MVP. Per his role he does pretty much nothing of note apart from the QB.

 

I never made that claim that a receiver should never be MVP. I haven't said that anywhere in this thread. Stop making things up and putting words in my mouth that I never said. Setting up a false premise and claiming I said something that I never did is disingenuous.

Show me where I said what you are claiming I said or take it back.

 

I never claimed you :said" that. What I said is that "with your reasoning a receiver should almost never be MVP".

To clarify, your argument that Holmes did not deserve MVP because he could not have done it without Ben, could be made against nearly every other receiver who was MVP because every catch they make comes from the QB (save for Hines).

That same argument can be made against Swann, Rice, etc.