Billy B...not 1st Ballot HoF. Will Ben also get screwed over?

MojoUW · Apr 19, 2026 at 11:38 AM

pczach said: ↑

I think it's obvious to anyone that she was with him for his looks.
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If he leaves her a pile of money when he kicks off; no one should say she didn’t earn it.

pczach · Apr 19, 2026 at 11:40 AM

MojoUW said: ↑

If he leaves her a pile of money when he kicks off; no one should say she didn’t earn it.
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That is some rough duty right there!

Blast Furnace · Apr 19, 2026 at 11:41 AM

Captain Lemming said: ↑

Nah, I believe when pretty much HALF a QBs stats go to one receiver it tends to go to the receiver. Who had the better game? Ben had a pick and that one TD to Holmes. Overall a modest performance prior to that last super clutch drive.
Holmes literally had the BEST STATISTICAL GAME OF HIS CAREER in that SB accounting for over half of Bens yards and his only score.

As far as "any other QB"?

Hard to find a more beloved media darling than Joe Montana.

Jerry Rice was named MVP of Super Bowl XXIII (1989), in the 49ers' 20-16 win against the Bengals. Joe Montana completing 23 of 36 passes for 357 yards and two touchdowns, and zero picks, orchestrating the game-winning drive. Game winning TD was to John Taylor not Rice.
Kupp won it not Stafford despite Stafford leading a late game winning drive just like Ben.

In Super Bowl XXXIX against the Eagles on February 6, 2005 Brady was 23 of 33 69.7 percent 236 yards TWO touchdowns, zero turnovers 110.2 QB rating. Branch was MVP despite the fact that NEITHER Brady touchdown was to him.

Whether we agree with MVP going to Holmes or not, it was no anti Ben hate behind it. If a QB leans on one receiver a ton, receiver is gonna get it.
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Thats good info on MVPs.

However, Rice had 11 rec for 215 yards, a sb record at that time and much better all around game than Holmes.

Kupp, they had to give that award to someone, no one really stood out that game. Stafford had 2 picks and threw the ball 40 times completing only 25 of them, maybe thats why they didnt want to give it to him. Kupp is the closest example to Holmes winning in that it was the game winning drive/catch that cinched it.

Branchs’ 11 receptions was the most since Rice did it, probably had a lot to do with it plus he was impactful the whole game not just the last drive. Holmes only had 68 yards before the last drive. Surprised Brady didnt win it but he wasnt “Brady” yet either then.

Basically SB XLIII MVP was awarded for one play and if you were going to do that I’d argue Harrison should have won it then although the throw, the catch and pick return for a TD were all amazing plays.

Still would have given it to Ben who was masterful on that last drive.

Arch Stanton · Apr 19, 2026 at 11:47 AM

jeh1856 said: ↑

What are you looking for? A Kardashian?
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I like women that are naturally curvy, not a fake a$$ like a Kardashian.

S.T.D · Apr 19, 2026 at 1:49 PM

Arch Stanton said: ↑

Good point. When someone commits a crime, any accomplices are just as guilty. If Brady knew about it, then you can assume Rob Gronkowski knew about too. Does Gronk not get into the HOF on the 1st ballot as well? I mean, it begs to ask how far are they willing to go with this?
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Exactly this.

S.T.D · Apr 19, 2026 at 1:50 PM

Steelersfan43 said: ↑

Gronk was not with the pats yet in the spygate era
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Agreed, but others were

S.T.D · Apr 19, 2026 at 1:58 PM

Blast Furnace said: ↑

Thats good info on MVPs.

However, Rice had 11 rec for 215 yards, a sb record at that time and much better all around game than Holmes.

Kupp, they had to give that award to someone, no one really stood out that game. Stafford had 2 picks and threw the ball 40 times completing only 25 of them, maybe thats why they didnt want to give it to him. Kupp is the closest example to Holmes winning in that it was the game winning drive/catch that cinched it.

Branchs’ 11 receptions was the most since Rice did it, probably had a lot to do with it plus he was impactful the whole game not just the last drive. Holmes only had 68 yards before the last drive. Surprised Brady didnt win it but he wasnt “Brady” yet either then.

Basically SB XLIII MVP was awarded for one play and if you were going to do that I’d argue Harrison should have won it then although the throw, the catch and pick return for a TD were all amazing plays.

Still would have given it to Ben who was masterful on that last drive.
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I will say it again. Holmes didn't throw those passes to himself, and if Ben got hurt before that drive, Holmes doesn't get those passes. Another Qb would have been sacked 2-3 times on that drive , or gotten the ball out quickly not to, and Holmes wouldn't have gotten those catches.

jeh1856 · Apr 19, 2026 at 2:06 PM

MojoUW said: ↑

If he leaves her a pile of money when he kicks off; no one should say she didn’t earn it.
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Kind of like Milania

Captain Lemming · Apr 19, 2026 at 6:33 PM

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I will say it again. Holmes didn't throw those passes to himself, and if Ben got hurt before that drive, Holmes doesn't get those passes. Another Qb would have been sacked 2-3 times on that drive , or gotten the ball out quickly not to, and Holmes wouldn't have gotten those catches.
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So using this logic, it should be impossible for a receiver to win a SB unless you catch a bomb from another receiver like Hines did as you can make that same argument any time a receiver was MVP. Per prior comment Stafford threw 2 picks but you think his backup wins that game?

Santonio Holmes Super Bowl XLIII Stats (MVP)

Receptions: 9

Receiving Yards: 131

Touchdowns: 1 (game-winner with 35 seconds left)

Impact: Recorded four receptions for 73 yards on the final game-winning drive.

Ben Roethlisberger Super Bowl XLIII Stats

Completions/Attempts: 21/30

Passing Yards: 256

Touchdowns: 1

Interceptions: 1

Rushing: 3 attempts for 2 yards

Passer Rating: 96.0

Santonio literally has never had a better performance in his career.

It was a very typical Roethlisberger game highlighted by ONE very clutch drive.

Captain Lemming · Apr 19, 2026 at 7:17 PM

Blast Furnace said: ↑

Thats good info on MVPs.

However, Rice had 11 rec for 215 yards, a sb record at that time and much better all around game than Holmes.

Kupp, they had to give that award to someone, no one really stood out that game. Stafford had 2 picks and threw the ball 40 times completing only 25 of them, maybe thats why they didnt want to give it to him. Kupp is the closest example to Holmes winning in that it was the game winning drive/catch that cinched it.

Branchs’ 11 receptions was the most since Rice did it, probably had a lot to do with it plus he was impactful the whole game not just the last drive. Holmes only had 68 yards before the last drive. Surprised Brady didnt win it but he wasnt “Brady” yet either then.
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You really want to talk pre-last drive performance?

Bens stats:
Completions/Attempts: 17 / 24
Passing yards: ~168 yards
Touchdowns: 0
Interceptions: 1

So outside of Santonio Ben had 100 yards total a pick and zero TDs before he went near exclusive Santonio to win the game.

Outside of Santonio Ben was not even "good" that day.

Heck outside of that one drive with Santonio, Bens play in THREE SuperBowls would.not make.you think we were watching a HOFer period.

Goes back to my case that Ben was better MUCH BETTER against Jax despite the loss.

That same performance, in a SB, defense does not allow SEVENTEEN 4th quarter points, TDs to Brown(2) Bryant, Bell, and Juju (likely not needed) in comeback victory Ben not only is ABSOLUTELY would be MVP. Multiple pin point BOMBS.

It would be considered the greatest Steeler SuperBowl performance in history.

QBs get too much blame for losses and too much credit for wins.

jeh1856 · Apr 19, 2026 at 8:41 PM

When there is a heated debate over who on the Steelers deserved to be Super Bowl MVP then life is good

KnoxVegasSteel · Apr 19, 2026 at 8:47 PM

jeh1856 said: ↑

When there is a heated debate over who on the Steelers deserved to be Super Bowl MVP then life is good
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Its been awhile.

Steelpens65 · Apr 19, 2026 at 8:57 PM

KnoxVegasSteel said: ↑

Its been awhile.
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Staind
For the win

Steelpens65 · Apr 19, 2026 at 9:13 PM

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Kind of like Milania
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Or MrsJeh1856

AskQuestionsLater · Apr 19, 2026 at 10:42 PM

AskQuestionsLater · Apr 19, 2026 at 10:43 PM

jeh1856 said: ↑

When there is a heated debate over who on the Steelers deserved to be Super Bowl MVP then life is good
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A debate that is highlighted by the bias of the position no less as opposed to the objective truth. That is what is the kicker.

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