"Pittsburgh Is A B-Minus Team"

Nothing tops losing to the Texans in 2002 who had 47 total yards but blew out the Steelers 24-6 .

 

It has nothing to do with perception, the "Tomlin Special" was a very real thing the last 5 years.

 

They haven't had franchise QB play since 2018

 

That was literally the post below the one you responded to.

Found the data split into two segments. Two posts.

 

It was bad for past five years. All but one are games started by terrible QBs.

That’s a really important point that gets lost in the discussion. Records don’t really matter as much when you’re playing rotating crapola at QB.

One mistake and you lose. No margin for error.

The statistics say you can totally debunk the “Steelers lose to bad teams” narrative for any time before Roethlisberger’s elbow disintegrates.

Post Ben’s elbow turning into spaghetti; the narrative is really that the Steelers can lose to any one at any time and they do because they’re barely separated from being a losing team themselves.

Everyone tries to make it more complicated.

 

I give Tomlin a lot of credit for maintaining his non losing season record with below average QBs (with the exception of Rodgers) ever since Ben, but it doesn't diminish the fact that he was winless against teams that were 8+ games under .500 during the last 5 years. Regardless of who was at QB, the Steelers were a much better overall team than they were, at least record wise.

 

Nothing to do with 2014.At least in 2002,Cowher win a playoffs game with Tommy Maddox despite that the steelers had their worst defense in the Cowher era

 

It was also a problem when the steelers had Ben.This article is from 2016 but the points remain the same

https://steelersdepot.com/2016/10/steelers-record-tomlin-favored-league-averages/

2009 were also brutal

 

That is the money line not record. The chart says to me that gamblers are bad at the Steelers?

Again...the data I was able to find....indicates the Steelers were FIFTH best in the league from 2010-2019 with a record of 68-24-1 playing teams with a .500 or worse record.

The math between that win-lose and the ones in the chart you found....indicates that the Steelers were road favorites against some teams with over .500 records. Again....gambling and odds versus NFL wins and losses.

Facts not vibes.

 

That's been my thing....I do not think the Steelers really were all that much better than the "bad" teams they lost to. When you are rolling out Trubisky at QB....you just are not better than most teams you face by definition. Mitch throws a pick, someone blocks a kick, whatever....you are sunk.

 

The point is that when the Steelers are considered much better than the team they're facing (which is the case when you're favored by 7 points or more), it's always going to be harder than expected for them, especially on the road... often an ugly win or an ugly loss. It's like free money for the gamblers!

The timing of those losses can be awful too, like in 2009 and 2018 against the Raiders, in 2015 in Baltimore or others when it cost , or almost cost them the playoffs because of an awful loss in December.This is 3 years on 12,this is a lot

Since 2021, I don't recall seeing the Steelers favored by 7 points in a game, so the problem was mainly before.

 

I can only say it again...the money line is not the same as actual wins and losses.

If you want to define "bad team" as any team the Steelers were favored by more than X points than....that is an entirely different discussion.

Looking at NFL wins and losses....the claim that the Steelers lose to under .500 teams more than other NFL teams does not hold up.

 

Dude during the season on the game day thread I point out all the time when we have big yards , or score with a Wr on a LB, and I'm met with the sound of crickets . LoL problem is many don't notice, or see it until it's pointed out to them, and they somehow think we are the only team that gets schemed into that happening, and like I said when I point it out during the game when we do it to another team those same people get quite.

 

You know what was free money for betting??? Betting the over in season wins when Tomlin was here for the last 5 years.

 

Trubisky only started in 7 games during his tenure with the Steelers (fortunately, lol), but I hear what your saying. Like I said, it's a testament to Tomlin that he was still able to be in the hunt year after year with such garbage QBs. But still man, you got to win at least one of those games against scrub teams in the last 5 years.

 

I disagree.

The line between the best NFL team and the worst NFL team is thinner than in maybe any other professional sport.

For the past 5-6 seasons the Steelers have been part of the great muddle in the middle in the NFL. For me, that means they are barely not a scrub team themselves.

They have played with no ability to overcome errors since Ben's injury. One mistake....and that's about it.

Average QB play likely means you can make a mistake or two. Really good QB play, and you can make a couple few. They haven't had it. So they are one mistake away from losing at any point in any game.

Every other team I can think of with a run of QBs like the Steelers have trotted out there has bottomed out and been a "scrub" team. The fact that they haven't is remarkable.

 

Hmm let's see for a little example.
Didn't NE lose to a 4-13 Raiders last year??
Didn't Seattle lose to a 8-9 Tampa Bay last year??
Didn't the Bills lose to a 7-10 Miami last year, and a not much better Falcons last year?? I can do this all day for every year, and still people will make excuses about its a Steelers thing. LoL problem is most don't pay attention to other teams.

 

I agree....I pick the over every year since 2022 at least

 

The pats were favorite by only 2.5 points and it was in week 1
The seahawks were favorite by only 3.5 points and it was when the bucs had a 6-2 start

The one by Buffalo,I agree it was awful

The timing when you face a team matter too

 

Tomlin HOF worthy proof!!! LOL.

 

They were all still the favorite, and lost, and something you should know before betting. Favorite has nothing to do with it, betting on one team can change the numbers. Also I knew You would make excuses, that's why I didn't waste time getting more teams. Bottom line Teams lose to team some people say they shouldn't every single year, and it's not just the Steelers.

 

That was a gawd awful game. Never saw something like it before.

 

Good points here. And the no margin for error is the reason for Tomlin's ultraconservative approach to games.

At some point the team went from 'we are good enough to beat anyone' to 'we are bad enough to lose to anyone.'

Ok, a bit of hyperbole there but the point is that from a fan perspective we went from optimistic for a season to more like hopeful for a season.