Billy B...not 1st Ballot HoF. Will Ben also get screwed over?

Holmes dropped the first perfect pass by Ben of first down. Then Ben had to make another perfect throw on second down to win the game.

I guess that just slipped your mind, huh?. That's a disingenuous comment, because if you know football as well as you claim, you know what I'm saying is beyond a doubt correct about that last drive.

Dude, you're grasping at straws here to try to prove a great quarterback wasn't great. It isn't working.

 

Yes

Hmm

 

He's trying to make it sound like Holmes bailed Ben out when it was the other way around. Holmes had the perfect pass go through his hands on the opposite side of the endzone on first down that should have been the game-winning throw and catch. Holmes dropped it, so Ben had to make an insane throw on second down to complete the game-winning touchdown pass. Holmes doesn't get credit for dropping the first one, which was a much easier catch.

I don't understand why people are acting like they didn't watch the game and see it with their own eyes.

I'm trying to be polite here, but to not acknowledge what I just stated here is either someone not understanding the game, or they are making it up to try to be right about something they are getting completely wrong.

 

Larry Fitzgerald did score the previous Steelers possession.

No reason to assume Larry Fitzgerald could have done so again. Dude was unstoppable. How many forget his Playoff Run that season.


It was one of the greatest ever in League History. Having Kurt Warner helped a great deal but Larry Fitzgerald in that Super Bowl nearly won it for them.

 

Agreed on the second.


Santonio deserved that MVP. He bailed out that Offense in the final drive a great deal and was doing damage all game long. Without him, Pittsburgh likely doesn't win Super Bowl XLIII for there wasn't a Wideout who would be capable of making that catch.

 

Holmes won the MVP because he had 9 catches for 131 and the game winning td catch. Ben was 21/30 for 256 1 td 1 int and 3 sacks. His QBR was like a 47, I think it was only right to go to Holmes his overall performance was just better than Roethlisberger. But yes they were both great on that last drive what a throw and what a catch.

 

Holmes didn't bail anyone out. Stop making crap up.

Just stop already with this stuff. You know you're lying about Holmes on that final drive.

Ben is the one that faced first down and 20 at his own 10 yard line because of a holding penalty on the offensive line.

Ben had to evade the rush that was on him all game and get them out of that hole. He threw passes to Holmes, but Ben made those plays.

Ben got Holmes wide open later in the drive with a pump fake that brought the defender up and allowed Holmes to run all the way down the field inside the 10 yard line.

Then on first down, Holmes dropped the perfect pass from Ben in the endzone that would have won the game.

Ben then threw another perfect pass on second down that Holmes made a great catch on that became the game-winner.

You KNOW that's what happened in the game. You really dislike Ben that much that you are going to make up a fairy tale to cover up what really happened on that drive?

Watch this video of Santonio Holmes. Watch all of it. It's great. But really watch starting around 11:00 where Holmes talks about the dropped pass on a perfectly executed play and pass. The truth is right there if you watch it and listen to what Santonio had to say. He thought he may have lost the game and Ben would never throw him the ball again.

 

My vote is Santonio

And then JH

 

QBR is just a awful stats...I mean Trubisky was in the top 5 in this stats in 2018 with the bears.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr/_/season/2018/seasontype/2

The ball was also tipped in the interception by Ben

 

Anyone regarded as possibly the best QB of all time and had a long career and was continuously productive will no doubt be elected on first ballot.

That is Brady and he gets in first ballot. Deflate-gate not enough to set him back IMO.

Ben had the long productive career and was great enough to be considered for first ballot. It`s possible, but not likely. I think they will make him wait one year. Might be interesting to check the odds on this when the time comes in the betting markets.

Belichick? Did not look like much without Brady. When Brady leaves him, Brady immediately wins a Super Bowl without Belichick. Then there is the cheating issue. He will have to wait at least one year IMO.

 

LoL. Are You high??
1. Ben has top 10 all time stats in passing yards, passing tds, and wins.
2. Ben , and P. Manning playoff careers are almost Identical.

 

QBR is one of the dumbest stats ever made, and I can never get anyone to explain why when I show the discrepancies in it that it's even used.

 

You can't make Belichick wait for cheating, and not Brady. No freaking way Brady doesn't know about it, and go along with it. I believe both are 1st ballot, but you can't punish one , and not the other

 

Hell S. Holmes should have been given a purple heart, and a silver star by your words. He didn't evade sacks, and throw the ball to himself. If not for Ben there would be no S. Holmes. We are talking about the same super hero Wrs that slowly got worse every year after he didn't have Ben throwing him the ball. Surely being as awesome as you make him he could have made anyone look awesome, and won them some SBs.

 

You're not wrong about Fitzgerald, but if that game went to OT, it's anyone's game. The OT rules in 2008 were sudden death, so whoever won the toss had the advantage. Plus, there is no telling what might have happened in OT. To say the steelers likely lose in OT isn't true. To say something is likely means the likelihood should be upwards of 75%. I just don't think there is any quantifiable data to call that as likely. Either way, Ben made the throw and Holmes made the catch. Lets not forget that Ben made the TD throw the play before the catch that Holmes dropped. Either way, Ben and the steelers won and it strengthens the case for BR to be a 1st ballot guys AFAIC.

 

You mean the Steelers dominant defense that you claim carried Ben, and that you keep trying to tell everyone about, couldn't stop the Cardinals with all your superheroes on it? Do you mean that immortal defense that had a 20-7 lead at the start of the fourth quarter as the coaches tried to bleed the clock and play defense? You mean that defense, right? Got it.

So, all of a sudden that great defense had no shot of stopping the 9-7 Cardinals? The team had no shot according to you, even after you saw Ben lead them on a 90-yard game-winning drive. Sure thing.

Did you even read what you said about that defense earlier and posted without thinking?

You can't make this $hit up....

 

Usually is keyword here. Remember that Santonio Holmes ended the game with nine catches for 131 yards; four of those catches for 73 yards on the Game Winning Drive. Big Ben having 21 of 30 passes for 256 yards, 1 touchdown, and 1 interception is not even close to constitute the award. The throw was, again great but the catch is what sealed the deal; more importantly Big Bens only passing TD of the game.


In short?! Santonio Holmes was the most valuable player by defintion; both from a statistics standpoint and an impact standpoint. Big Ben doesn't come close. If anything, James Harrison would also likely have been the Super Bowl MVP had it not been for Santonio's clutch game winning drive performance.

 

As per usual, you have the correct answer without stating much!

 

Might wanna go look at Santonios impact on the final drive. The rest of the response is contradictions on points I have already proven. Moreover to the prompt that the OP has, the fact that this is even a debate further strengthens my case.


Big Ben isnt a First Ballot HOF. He wasnt Top 3 ever at any point during his long career. He does not have the individual accolades in the manner that is befitting of one. Even if we table the other two points, Big Ben never showcased consistent dominance over the course of his career.


Stretches of dominance vs sustained excellence are two different things. Big Ben often had the former. He never showcased the latter.