"Pittsburgh Is A B-Minus Team"

Yup. Patriots returned a punt and a blocked field goal for touchdowns.

 

Funny that now You have changed when You have watched football. I have You on admitting to not watching until the year before Ben was drafted, and now you magically watch it??

 

No...I said when Rod Woodson was with the steelers

 

you can believe what you want. the Players spoke it. We got TOASTED for 10 years with that SUCK defense in the playoffs

 

buy him his first drink pal!!!

 

Popcorn's specialty and background was defense. And the defense was never anywhere near elite again after 2011. After Cowher's players retired.

 

Harrison may have played for Cowher, but he wasn't even a full-time starter until after Tomlin arrived. Woodley was Tomlin's guy, and a huge part of the Super Bowl run in 2008 and 2010. This "Cowher's players" nonsense is overblown at best.

 

I disagree.

 

No kidding. You are welcome to continue to be wrong.

 

Cowher's players: Ben Roethlisberger, Troy Polamalu, James Farrior, Larry Foote, Deshea Townsend, Darren McFadden, Ryan Clark, Max Starks, Santonio Holmes, Heath Miller, Willie Colon, Aaron Smith, Casey Hampton, Brett Kiesel, Willie Parker, Jeff Reid and Ike Taylor.

All on the 2008 roster.

 

There are two ways you are wrong. One is the idea that this was the entire team. The outside linebackers are a huge part of the defense. Harrison became a star under Tomlin. Woodley was a Tomlin draft pick.

The other way you are wrong is that this was somehow still Cowher's team. It wasn't. Cowher wasn't still there coaching. He wasn't the one guiding that team or adapting as things changed from year-to-year and game-to-game. I know there are plenty of people here who can't stand to give Tomlin credit for anything, but that is your malfunction.

 

1st James Farrior wasn't a Cowher player.
2. I Love to see You play one game , and win with 14 players in the NFL . You do know that on a low average that at least 43 different players play during each, and every NFL game. That's not even counting injuries. So even 20 guys wouldn't be enough to call a team a different HCs team. It actually shows when people say this how little they actually know about football.

 

Well then I guess I don't know anything about football.

Tomlin won with Cowher's players
Gruden won with Dungy's players
Switzer won with Johnson's players

History repeats itself. History rhymes.

 

Oh yeah... and James Farrior was drafted by Bill Parcells in 1997. He signed with the Steelers in 2002. That gave him 5 years of Cowher, 1 year of Herm Edwards, 1 year of Groh, 3 years of Parcells.

James Farrior was a Cowher player.

 

So then all the so called Cowher players were actually Tomlin players in the last SB?? LoL.

 

Did Cowher pick all of those players on his own, or did the GM and scouts have a say in it. Dan Rooney had to talk Cowher into drafting Ben .

 

To me.. "early" Tomlin era players are: Lawrence Timmons, Lamar Woodley, Ziggy Hood, William Gay*, Keenan Lewis*, Rashard Mendenhall, Antonio Brown, Emmanuel Sanders, Mike Wallace, Cam Heyward, Maurkice Pouncey, David DeCastro, Jarvis Jones, Ryan Shazier, etc. Some good...some mediocre, some bad.

None of these players played a snap under Bill Cowher.

* only DBs drafted by Tomlin who were decent. Tomlin's specialty from Bucs in early 00's to modern day is secondary.

Deshea Townsend, Ike Taylor, Bryant McFadden > William Gay, Keenan Lewis

 

Comparing what Tomlin did in 2008 to Switcher in 1995 is laughable and ignorant. That Cowboys team was a dynasty at its peak. Switzer still nearly lost the Super Bowl by being outcoached by Cowher, who had the inferior team.

 

He also helped the Steelers identify and trade for Minkah Fitzpatrick early in his second season. He was a problem with the Dolphins, but blossomed into an All-Pro under Tomlin.

 

But the Dolphins drafted Fitz.

Steelers never could draft a quality safety with any kind of longevity under Tomlin. Steelers had to get Haden from Browns, too... because they couldn't develop CBs. Tomlin's only first round draft pick at CB busted hard.

 

This pic would be even cooler if Rick James was photoshopped in.

 

Cowher wanted Shawn Andrews because he didn't think Ben, Eli or Philip would be there at 11.

 

Well.... the 2008 Steelers were in the process of a "mini-dynasty"... which included Super Bowl teams of '05, '08 and '10. Most of the players had played on the 2005 SBXL team.

 

Those situations are not comparable. Haden was an established player when the Steelers signed him. Fitzpatrick was not. The Steelers identified him as someone they wanted out of college, but didn't have a high enough pick to take him. He was a disappointment in Miami. The Steelers took the risk of trading a first-round pick for him in what was looking like a lost season. They had just fallen to 0-2 and lost Roethlisberger for the season. They identified the talent and developed him into an All-Pro. It is exactly the sort of thing you are trying to claim Tomlin couldn't do, but you want to ignore it because you don't want to give him credit for anything.