2026 Free Agent Thread

Let's just say an elite WR raises the ceiling for a good QB and an elite QB makes an average WR above average.

 

IN THE END

IT'S THE COACH

 

You mean there really is something to 19 non-losing seasons?

 

if Damar Hamlin is there to be taken I would sign him.Saw a story about him today..

 

All smoke and mirrors by the worst coaching staff ever and an owner who is cheap and doesn’t care

 

The game room sucksass Rooney won't replace the ball dammit

 

You shouldn't hold back and sugar coat things.

 

Using that number is incredibly misleading. First of all, even 10 out of 15 would be more than three percent. Secondly, most of the 150 don't get the volume of opportunities to be "good."

 

The numbers were good without Roethlisberger. You are refusing to define what you mean by good for the receivers or for the quarterbacks. I believe that is because you know your theory would be blown out of the water once you do that.

 

i saw something today that makes some sense. denver only has 1 day two pick. they just signed weedle. marvin mimms or troy franklin. probably could be had with a 3rd, 4th or 5th. mims is a very good punt returner. ranked 2nd in the league last year. he could be that 3rd WR as well. would this make sense for us?

 

This is not exactly FA news, but I'm hearing local stirrings that the Saints may be looking to move on from Cesar Ruiz. Obviously, we are fully in the lying season, but chatter is Ruiz may be trade bait for this draft. Ruiz is a $14M cap hit this year and next year. He's young(26) and could be reworked if traded.


Posting this because he's a LG and we need a LG. Thoughts?

 

Yeah Your right.
So let's stop looking for a Qb, and just draft all these awesome Wrs, that don't need great Qbs.
I mean why doesn't all the Teams just do that???
LoL . Because in all reality they know the same thing I do.

 

Pretty close.
1. Ever notice how most good to great Qb never have a problem with Wrs, hell they don't even have to draft them in the 1st round most of the time, and notice how not as good Qbs teams are constantly drafting in the 1st round for Wrs.
2. Remember how it was said by many we draft Wrs better than everyone , and then soon after Ben was gone that disappeared.
3. If it was the way @Formerscribe is trying to put it, nobody would be trying so hard to find their next Qb, and then paying them more than Mansa Musa to keep them forever. They would all just draft all these awesome Wrs that don't need Qbs. They are way cheaper, and way more of them every year.

 

Did you enjoy beating up that straw man? Did it make you feel better? Because that is nowhere near what wrote.

Your claim is that the overwhelming majority of receivers are made by the quarterback they play with. Mine is that while quarterback play can certainly enhance or limit a receiver's production, good receivers are still going to be good even with poor quarterback play. I have given you many examples of this in the past, and provided more in this discussion.

The example I usually think of first is an old one, the 1984 Steelers. They had a revolving dumpster fire at quarterback. Mark Malone and David Woodley took turns stinking it up, yet the Steelers still had one of the best tandems of receivers in the NFL that season. John Stallworth had arguably the best season of his Hall of Fame career, and Louis Lipps had a big rookie season opposite him. Would they have been even more productive with Dan Marino throwing to them? Of course, but they were damn good with a couple of scrubs throwing them passes.

This in no way suggests that quarterback play isn't crucial to team success. Of course it is, but that is an entirely different argument.

 

No, that is not at all an accurate way to explain what I am saying. There is individual production and team success. Wide receivers can be very good even with crappy quarterbacks, but teams cannot.

 

I like You , but even when You know You are wrong, You still try. It's cool I know a lot of people like you. Also you can always tell when You are reaching because then your favorite phrases come out when you are, Straw man. LoL.
Nothing You said in here is against anything I said.
I never once said all Wrs are made by their Qbs.
I said 97% were.
Again a very simple thing is what I said. If it was the way you said. Nobody would spend every resource looking, and paying for Qbs. They would just get all these awesome Wrs , but I'm sure you will come up with something else. LoL

 

they re-signed Dillon Radunz. going cheaper. i still think we will be fine with hoffman. no need to spend 14 million on one that would give you the same effectiveness. i don't think we are in that bad of shape right now. check out the OG thread. we have some young guys here as well as anderson. i'd like to see what Campon can do with this group. our assistant line coach should know the saints guys real well if there is any fishing.

 

Okay Flacco

 

Former super bowl MVP!

 

Do you know what I mean by a straw man argument? It means that instead of arguing against what I actually wrote, you made up an argument to attack. That is what you did. In no way does my argument even imply that teams don't need strong quarterback play to win. It also doesn't indicate that quarterback performance doesn't affect wide receiver production. You attributed those points to me even though I did not write them. Therefore, you used a straw man argument.

I also never claimed that you said it was all receivers, but I already pointed out enough from last year to show that your 97 percent doesn't show up. All you need to do is clearly define what you believe is good for a receiver and for a quarterback. You won't because you know just how easy it would be to demonstrate that your 97 percent argument is wrong.

 

That was 14 years ago he started for the Browns last year and he sucked .

 

Truth spoke here. Not only Roethlisberger but Brady during 90% of his career didn't have elite WRs. He just made whoever better.

 

DAMN
FO B SNOOZN

 

Roethlisberger played with some great receivers. Do y'all actually think Ward was just a product of playing with Roethlisberger? Wallace had productive seasons after leaving. Emmanuel Sanders had his best seasons after leaving. Brown had a special rapport with Roethlisberger. but the guy had great hands and was damn near impossible to cover. He was going to be good regardless.

Brady really did prop up some scrubs, but Brady is an outlier in just about every way.

 

The seahawks could sign Harris