60% of HC Hires Fail

At least try to be honest and accurate

 

Im always accurate. You can’t handle the truth. How was the Reuben btw?

 

The special of the day was Jambalaya so I ordered that

And it was poor very poor

I should have ordered the Reuben

If I had just to be a smart ass I was going to send you a picture



p.s I applauded you on the new login rather than that blunder you had literally for years

 

Maybe they properly went into rebuild mode to restock for a proper playoff run. In any case, it doesn't change the fact that 15 of 19 seasons without a playoff win and 6 WC playoff embarrassments is not "getting it done". It's just not.

And regarding Cowher: He got to the super bowl with O'Donnell. Then he got to the AFC Championship game twice with Kordell. Then he got back to the AFC championship under Ben and the next year, won it all with Ben. 8 out of 15 years, the Steelers won a playoff game under Cowher. Tomlin, 4 out of 19.

 

This x 1,000. STD is Pro-Tomlin, Anti-Cowher. Obviously.

 

Tomlin drafted Howard, Pickett, Oladokan, Rudolph, Dobbs, Jones, Dixon.

Cowher drafted Benton, Van Pelt, Miller, Stewart, Fischer, Martin, St Pierre, Roethlisberger.

AFC Championship appearances for Cowher's QBs: 6
AFC Championship appearances for Tomlin's QBs: 0

Jury is still out on Howard with McCarthy as coach. Pickett is likely a backup QB for the remainder of his career. Same with Rudolph.

 

Harbaugh - 9/18
Carroll (Seahawks only) - 7/14
K Shanahan - 5/9
McCarthy (Green Bay only) - 6/13

Tomlin (Ben Pre-Injury) - 4/12 --- so Tomlin needed to win two more playoff games to rank at the 50% rate that his peers do. Ben doesn't eat a Buick that one year....that is probably a win. Shazier doesn't get paralyzed...there's another win. And bingo-bango-boingo....you have your 50% rate that is on par with other coaches with similar high level QB situations. Shanahan hasn't had the QB...so I threw him in for funsies.

 

I don't think you're wrong.

Re: Ben's prime. I also wish we got more out of this. But we got basically the same as or better than Brees, Rodgers, and Manning out of Ben. But Brady and Mahomes have kind of skewed realistic expectations.

I think it's worth remembering when Ben retired, there were a total of 4 QBs with more SB wins than he had. And maybe 7 or so with more SB appearances (?).

While I do wish we won more. And many seasons felt like disappointments. When we look back at Ben's career, I think it's really hard to say it was a disappointment on the whole.

I do wish we got to see the alternate universe where 50 doesn't get injured so that our O and D would have been peaking at similar times toward the end of Ben's career. But even still, not ever having a reasonable backup for Bell while running him into the ground every season was a bad strategy by MT.

Re: Post Ben.

But I think we should probably compare how Tomlin did vs. other HCs with retiring HoF coaches.

BB (Goat): Crashed and burned. Now a college coach with an IG girlfriend apparently controlling everything about his life.
SP: Quit because he didn't want to deal with the cap hell that happened after Brees retired.
MM: Fired before Rodgers left I think. Now employee of Rooney.

I'm not sure you can argue that any of these guys did better than Tomlin.

Honestly, I think he probably did better than all three of these guys (after their HoF QBs left).

Probably because he's such a high floor coach. In part because of his coaching style. And in part because that's the mission of the team, so all the incentives align for him to optimize for non-losing seasons.

I also think it's possible that the team mission (and Tomlin's execution of it) of maximizing the floor could be part of the reason Ben didn't get even more done. But again...being tied for 5th most SB rings among QBs when he retired is nothing to be ashamed of.

 

All valid points. I think what it comes down to for me is that we held on to Tomlin for too long. The Pats parted ways with who many thought was the greatest coach in history, 4 years after Brady left. We hung on to Tomlin through 6 consecutive playoff humiliations. And we would have held on to him longer if Tomlin hadn't decided to step down. We need to be better in recognizing when it's time to move on from a player and when it's time to move on from a coach.

 

Northern,

14 teams qualify out of 32, resulting in a 43.75% chance for any given coach to make the playoffs in a single season.

Tomlin did not win a playoff game in eight years

This ties the NFL head coaching record. Lewis and Tomlin hold that dubious record.

 

FWIW, I think your argument is reasonable.

And I'm interested to see what a post-Tomlin world looks like.

I don't know if MM is the "right" option here. But I think its exciting to see what the Steelers look like with an offensive minded HC.

 

I've never heard this information before.

Thanks.

Note that this is meant to be good natured sarcasm, not trying to be a dick.

 

No I Loved both. I'm Anti- stupid stuff.

 

And Yet not many of the same teams make it.

 

Everyone keeps saying this about the Pats getting rid of Bill Belichick, but they don't say that He went 7-9, 8-9, and 4 -13 in 3 of his last 4 seasons. Had Tomlin done the same , He would have been fired also. Why is that so hard to understand???
I keep saying. How many HCs in the NFL have been fired that never had a losing season, and that's not even counting going to 2 SBs, and winning 1.

 

NO, Tomlin would NOT have been fired if he had done the same. Because having done the SAME would have included winning SIX SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS.

 

IMHO, Cowher was a better coach in many ways. But as I've said before... Cowher was captain when Steelers suffered their worst playoff loss in team history, 1994 AFC Championship vs Chargers. I've seen some try to compare the Tomlin's Tebow loss to Championship loss to Chargers. It's not even close. Half of Steelers team was injured in loss ot Tebow Broncos... Ben was playing on one leg and Clark missed the game due to sickle cell. Steelers were at full strength in January of 1995.

 

What part of having 3 losing seasons before he got fired do You not understand??
They didn't just fire Belichick after Brady left . They fired Belichick after a 7-9, 8-9, and 4 -13 season.

 

Yeah. One of the most disappointing losses In my history of watching the Steelers. Like I said many times, I threw everyone out of my Condo that day, calling them , and their pizza (papa John's) bad luck MFs. My ole lady at the time was pissed at me. LoL. I told her leave me alone, and let me go to sleep. It all felt like a bad dream.
I have never eaten papa John's pizza again. LoL

 

Noll had some tough years in the late 1980s(7-9,6-10 and 5-11) but he still stay with the steelers until the moment he thought it was time for him to leave.The Steelers would never have fired a head coach who had accomplished as much as Belichick (6 Super Bowl wins), even with 3 losing seasons

 

Im told writing Korean melodrama fan fiction is a good way to stimulate the brain while learning a foreign language and culture. Of course that's the opinion given to me by 12 year old and her current Kpop obsession so opinions will vary.

 

1st Noll built a Dynasty out of nothing so he got leeway that others wouldn't get.
You, or I don't know this . When 8-8 is the worst record he ever had, and that was only 3 times in 19 years.
I don't know how to explain this any differently. If it was so easy to fire a HCs that never had a losing season, why can't anyone show me examples of it, and that is not even counting the 2 SBs, and 3 AFC Championships.
I've looked, and I can't find one HC that never had a losing season get fired , let alone one that also had been to 2 SBs.

 

I've never been superstitious. I like Papa Johns because I rarely eat it. Closest Papa Johns is almost 2 hour drive for me. Pizza chains that I seldom eat at... taste damn good for some strange reason.