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Mike McCarthy’s QB School

Discussion in 'Steelers Talk' started by Blast Furnace, Feb 2, 2026.

  1. HeinzMustard

    HeinzMustard Well-Known Member

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    Cowherd is a paid clown... I agree. His gushing over the severely overrated Jim Harbaugh and Justin Herbert is off the charts. Likewise with Sean Payton and the Big 10 NCAA Football conference. But when he states that McVey, Shanahan and Johnson are good coaches... these statements are backed up with facts. :shrug:
     
  2. MojoUW

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    The sun shines on every dog’s butt sometimes?

    Just saying that that while it’s possible that Ciwherd sometimes vomits out a good take, I’d find the evidence and foundation to support my opinions from another source.

    I don’t know anyone with even a passing association with football who couldn’t identify those three as pretty good coaches. Not sure what that proves.
     
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  3. pczach

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    I get it. There are flaws in his game. I mentioned them in my breakdown of him above.

    Remember, I'm talking about if they decide to wait until a little later in the draft to pick up a QB. There is a good chance that Simpson is taken before the Steelers pick in the first round. If the team has Simpson rated as a first round quarterback, then they should probably do whatever it takes to get him. I think he has a chance to be a pretty good player, but he hasn't shown me that he is worthy of a really high draft pick. I worry about his size and his drop in production with outrageous talent around him. That doesn't usually end well in the NFL.

    All of this is dependent on what they plan to do at QB before the season starts. We have no idea if Rodgers will be back, if they will sign a free agent quarterback, if they will trade for a starting quarterback, or if they are all-in on Howard and will let him start and develop.

    My point is that if a player with an enormous skillset like Allar is there a little later in the draft, he would probably be worth a shot for a team with 12 draft picks and the need for more young talent at the quarterback position. Plus, if they draft a quarterback later their is no pressure to start that player immediately. They can take their time developing him and see what happens. In the meantime, they will have another QB starting and hopefully playing well.

    If Allar doesn't work out, all they have invested is a middle round pick. It's like buying a lottery ticket that doesn't cost a lot but if it comes in for you, you're set for a long time.

    If Allar does really become something with development, you still have a very young quarterback that can play for you or become a very nice trade piece if the starter in place is the answer.

    I think the team needs to start taking chances on quarterbacks immediately.
     
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  4. HeinzMustard

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    I agreed with Cowherd's opinion that Steelers should go with a young head coach with background in offense. Steelers got half of it right.

    Cowher, Noll and Tomlin were all in the their mid 30's when they were hired... so McCarthy is an outlier since he's about twice that age.
     
  5. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We want in so we can bark to go out again

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    Most of them are clowns

    And they make a lot of money because people pay attention to them
     
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  6. Bubbahotep

    Bubbahotep Well-Known Member

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    This right there.
     
  7. Trafalgar

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    That's not the case, and I watch Bama every week, the running game was bad, the line was bad, and WR's were inconsistent all year, that said I would not spend the #21 pick on him. I think he's a better prospect than Kenny Pickett was at the time, but I don't see enough upside, or an elite trait.
     
  8. S.T.D

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    Well I don't watch them every week, but since I watch the SEC Razorbacks every week, and I watch all the Georgia, LSU, Bama,SC games that aren't on the air at the same time, and I watch the reruns during the week on the SEC network that I miss, so I have probably miss a whole two games by them.
     
  9. S.T.D

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    I like @HeinzMustard@HeinzMustard a lot, but this is what I have been trying to convince him of.
    I could do like Cowherd right now, and say......I don't think Mike Vrabel is very buttoned up, and they should look for someone else to coach the Pats, and guess what, if we wait 5,6,7,8, 9, 10, or more years down the road when they eventually fire, or replace him, and then I say.....see I was correct. LoL. That's Cowherd in a nutshell. If You look at anything he's says ,that you can actually see that year if he's correct, he is never correct. Never!!!
    How about the Steelers should trade Watt, and trade all of their picks to move up, and draft S. Sanders at numbers 1. LoL. LoL. How stupid would we have looked when we could have just gotten him in the 5th round then??
    Hell he has picked the Steelers to be last , or third in the division 6 years straight. Not once did he get that correct. He picked the Ravens to go undefeated a few years ago, and win the SB.....not even close. LoL.
    All I'm saying is anything you can check him on for that year, he's 97% wrong, and people still will say, well Cowherd said it. LoL
     
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  10. Steel_Elvis

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    I wouldn’t be bothered if we took Allar starting with the anticipated Dan Moore end-of-3rd comp pick (if we do get that). However I would also be concerned about how the team would approach the QB position in the next couple of years if he takes baby steps. There are only so many roster spots for QBs, and I would be concerned about a guy being seen as the future based on natural talent and a “we can fix him” approach. We would need a starter and 2nd string Qb who can play while a lottery ticket pick develops. I don’t see him getting there in 2026, and maybe not 2027 either considering how slowly he progressed at Penn State (or did he actually regress?). Do we put our development capital and 3rd Qb roster spots into him and end up back where we are now in two years?

    Or maybe McCarthy and Arth have the magic formula to produce a confident, smart Qb out of the guy that I saw who always looked to me like a scared kid despite his natural talent. It’s possible, but I’m not feeling those odds.
     
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  11. HeinzMustard

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    Hell.... Cowherd wasn't the only one picking Ravens to go undefeated. Broussard on First Things First also picked Ravens to go undefeated in 2024. And Nick Wright picked Chiefs to go undefeated in 2024. It's not just Cowherd... it's most of the talking heads on FS1. Hyperbole obviously sells.... both The Herd and First Things First get excellent ratings... so people are listening on Satellite radio and watching FS1. :shrug:
     
  12. pczach

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    I don't see him going very early at this point. He would have to really wow teams in the processes leading up to the draft.

    He is definitely not ready for primetime. He needs to work on some stuff. With that said, I don't have a lot of faith in the coaching he has gotten at State College. There is a chance he could respond to NFL coaching. As I said, so much depends on what the team is planning to do.

    Will they bring Rodgers back and let the young guys sponge off of his football mind? If they do, why not go Rodgers, Howard, next draft pick?

    Will they go with Howard?

    Free agent signing or trade for a QB?

    Rudolph has been here for a while now, but has never distinguished himself as anything but a backup. I wouldn't be against moving on from him unless McCarthy thinks he is a good fit for his offense. Now is the time to set up your roster with players that fit the offensive system going forward and plan for the future of the team.
     
  13. MojoUW

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    Ok...college football watchers....what is Allar's ceiling if he puts it together?

    Joe Flacco? Byron Leftwhich? Justin Herbert?

    Help me out here. I see a kid with a big ol' arm that struggles with accuracy and not seeming to freak out sometimes....but what do the tools project as a ceiling?
     
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  14. AskQuestionsLater

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    Best case scenario?! Like absolute best case?!


    Big Ben lite.
     
  15. MojoUW

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    Ok. I think I get what you’re saying.

    Didn’t realize he could move all that well.

    Chance of Big Ben lite for like a 3rd rounder? Sure, why not?
     
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  16. pczach

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    If I squint really hard I can see the Ben lite comp mentioned above by AQL.

    I was leaning towards a more athletic Flacco. Freaky strong arm that can make every throw with much better movement skills than Flacco. That allows him to extend some plays, run the ball when needed, and threaten the entire field with that arm. He can run the RPO game and do things with his legs Flacco can't do. He's a big, strong kid. He is only 21 and isn't going to be 22-years-old for a couple weeks yet.

    If, and that's a big if, he puts it together mentally and physically, he's as talented as you could ask for. He has a long way to go to get in this conversation, but the potential is there. His arm talent is elite.

    There is so much about him that is difficult to nail down from the mental side of things.

    His mental makeup, how cerebral he is, and his understanding and processing of things needs to be identified. We also have no idea how the team and McCarthy feel about him as a fit for his system.

    I believe scheme is going to matter for him. If someone can get him comfortable in a scheme that fits his talents, I think there is a chance it could unlock his high-level potential.
     
  17. MojoUW

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    From what I am reading and hearing on here, I certainly like the idea of Allar for a 3 better than Simpson for a 1. Simpson doesn't seem to have an elite physical trait. Processing I guess and we have heard that before.

    I'd rather draft the guy who can throw the ball to the moon and see if the new coaches can teach him the rest.
     
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  18. pczach

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    The problem is that someone is going to be going over his tape over and over again from 2024, see his arm talent and raw capabilities at 21 years of age and say "This guy's talent is crazy! I can make this guy great.", and next thing you know he's being drafted early in the second round. He has genuine first-round traits.

    I don't know that it will happen that way but in today's quarterback-starved NFL, most quarterbacks are being drafted higher than they should be if it was based on a true draft evaluation rating alone.

    It's going to be interesting to see how he looks at the NFL combine and what kind of showing he has coming off of the injury.

    If he does very well, he will go earlier. If he struggles, he could drop even further.
     
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  19. jeh1856

    jeh1856 We want in so we can bark to go out again

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    I’m a Penn State Fan so I’ve watched every game he played

    In every game he lost he played poorly

    Every one of those losses was a big game

    In the NFL every game is a big game

    I don’t know if a coach can fix the mental part
     
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  20. Bubbahotep

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    This team is not a QB away from a championship. Holes on defense, holes on offense. Why waste rookie salary years while trying to fill the holes? That's what CIN did to Burrow and he's just about been wrecked because of it.
     
  21. S.T.D

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    N. Wright is a KC fan, so I don't find fault in that. Broussard is a Lamar Jackson fan, and would pick him if he went to the Jets. They also get more correct than Cowherd, and are a more entertaining listen. The problem is people actually believing what they say.
    I love Star Trek, and Star Wars, but I don't believe I will beam up somewhere, and draw my Lightsaber, it's entertainment, not facts. Like I said if You go by Cowherd on anything you can't actually check on that year, he's 90% wrong.
     
  22. S.T.D

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    Mental part is the hardest part.
     
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  23. S.T.D

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    I'm not exactly sure about that. Tell me with a straight face that if our offense could have done anything in the playoffs we couldn't have won? It was 10-6 until our offense started giving the ball away for tds.
     
  24. MojoUW

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    Tell me with a straight face the if CJ Stroud hadn't have developed a serious case of the playoff yips that the Texans wouldn't have been up by 2+ scores early.

    I get what you are saying...but you can do it for both sides.

    The 2025 season demonstrated a consistent difficulty for the Steelers offense to move the ball against better than average defenses. The offense was stuck in the mud except against below average defenses or when provided short fields via turnover.

    That was a long term trend. I really don't want to spend another season hate watching every offensive series.

    Honestly, I question anyone's football acumen that thinks that Aaron Rodgers will play better in 2026 than in 2025. He's at the point in the career where you don't reverse the slide.
     
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  25. mac daddyo

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    I still have a feeling it's Garrett Nusmier. :cool:
     
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