Something I Find Very Curious.

Something I find very curious....
OC/HCs, and their Qbs, vs DC/HCs , and a ST/HC , and their Qbs.
OC/HCs
Andy Reid/Pat Mahomes average rushing a year 55 times.
Shanahan/Purdy = Average 40.
S. McVay/M. Stafford = Average 25.
S. Payton/Bo Nix = Average 87(Broken ankle on design run)
Ben Johnson/Caleb Williams = average 77.
DC/ST/HCs
S. McDermott/Josh Allen = Average 116.
J. Harbaugh/Lamar Jackson = average 158.
Mike Vrabel/Drake Maye = 103.
I find it curious that the well known Offensive minded HCs rather have their Qbs run quite a bit less than the Defense, or Special Teams minded HCs.
Maybe I need to switch which kind of HC I want. LoL.

 

Defensive coaches favor power gap run scheme, wishbone heavy approach. Therefore they favor tough quarterbacks rather than passing quarterbacks. Those quarterbacks generally cannot carry the offense with their passing but can play efficiently to a point supplementing their passing with run game. That's how defensive coaches see the game of football.
Offensive coaches favor high volume efficient passers who can carry the offense with their passing and have processed a lot of passing volume in college.
New England got lucky with Maye because he can do both.
This is also where scouting disagreements in quarterback evaluation come into forefront. Defensive coaches may view some prospect as too soft even though he is an excellent prospect. They may have viewed Mahomes as soft for their system. Or, Bo Nix is too small, they want a big quarterback who can take the pounding. They do not trust high passing volume and experience. But that is because they do not understand offense.

 

What I was trying to point out was the misunderstanding that many people think that a Offense sided HC would rather have a run heavy QB, and would therefore be designing many Qb type runs, which I have always tried showing as false.

 

I never loved the first run approach for QBs.

Caleb Williams is a good example last game. The dude can run, but he was relying on his ability to read the defense and throw the ball. I saw the same for Nix.

So design a QB to be a thrower first and runner last. Move in the pocket first, move to extend plays 2nd, run last unless the defense left it wide open for you to run.

I'm in the get the offensive minded coach also at the moment. Tired of seeing the offense look so anemic.

 

QB designed runs are good when used like draw plays or on roll out/option plays when receivers are covered, IMO. I am not a fan of the QB 1-2 read then take off type plays.


One advantage the running QB does have is it makes the defense leave a spy. The style just drives me nuts and keeps me nervous the whole game if it's my guy running. I prefer the BigBen QB that runs parallel to the LoS and makes miraculous throws downfield.

 

Even the best passing offenses in NFL history had a good running game. Siefert/Young/Watters, Vermeil/Warner/Faulk, Dungy/Manning/James

 

That is not a running Qb, that's a scrambling Qb. Way different. That's why I showed the attempt at actual runs.
I to prefer a Qb that can scramble, but doesn't abandon the play call.

 

LoL. My Friend, You are missing the whole point of the thread. It's about OCs minded HCs, vs DC Minded HCs , and their preferences on How their Qbs play.

 

Sirianni is an example of OC who uses a lot of QB runs. I do not think it's his preference though.

 

Ben always tried to extend passing plays with his legs but early on he would run as well. We got lucky he was big guy and could shed tacklers until he started to be able to read defenses. Early on he was backyard football a lot.

 

I didn't use Him, because when I did my question of who people thought was the best Offense minded HCs in a earlier thread, nobody brought him up.

 

Its because the Defensive minded Coach knows you cant stop the run and the pass and account for the QB as a runner as well..A QB who can run gets to play 11 on 11 , the simple fix on Defense is a spy, 1 less rusher 1 less run stopper and 1 less guy to drop in coverage .

We need a QB who can run , but is a great passer and reader of the Defense so when he does run its gain yards step out or slide not a run 1st. QB...

 

Ben never ran a lot. I believe 56 times was his very most in a year, and he averaged about 30 a year.
Which isn't very much.
For example: Peyton Manning averaged 25.

 

He is up there though, maybe right after the top 7 (Payton, Shanahan, McVay, Reid, Kubiak, Schottenheimer, Johnson).

 

And Yet the the HCs that don't have their Qbs run have all been to SBs as a HC, and all the HCs that do have their Qbs run don't.

 

I agree, but that's the whole reason I asked people in the other thread who they thought, and nobody brought him up. So I figured making this thread in comparing, I would use the Offense HC most said.

 

Of course he didn't, he was an example of me of a guy who thought pass first but early on could use his legs a bit to get that first down but essentially used them to extend plays.

 

Sorry. I misunderstood you. My bad. Apologies.

 

You asked for 2 in that thread but I understand the point. Plus, your OP is on the money.

 

Thank You. I asked for two because I actually didn't want to research more, and thought it would be the same two. LoL, but I got a quite a few anyways. LoL

 

No worries, my writing skills leaves something to be desired.

 

How many of the runs of Josh Allen are tush push?

I mean,he had at least 4 in the game vs jaguars and at least 3-4 times vs Denver

 

I don't really think the numbers are telling you what you think they are.

Lamar Jackson runs a lot because that's who he is. Do you think McVay would run him only 25 times?
Stafford doesn't run because that's not who he is. If he could run like Jackson, don't you think McVay would use that weapon more than 25 times per year?

The only way to truly assess the point you're trying to make is to put Jackson on the Rams and Stafford on the Ravens. Nothing else changes. Then assess the numbers. I'm fairly certain you'd find that McVay runs Jackson quite a bit. A coach should utilize all the weapons his QB has, rather than try to force a player to fit into what he thinks a QB should be.

Mahomes, Purdy, Stafford and Williams aren't really running QB's. Some of those guys can scramble really well, but they are primarily passers.
Josh Allen is a true hybrid. That guy can do everything, but he's fast, strong and big, so of course he's going to run a lot.
Lamaar Jackson was primarily a running QB who has developed into a pretty good passer, but he's still a huge threat to rip off big runs.

I really don't think the offensive vs defensive mindset of the coaches has anything to do with it.

With that said, there's lots of room on the lets hire an offensive coach wagon, climb on up.

 

I know McVay traded a more mobile Qb for a less mobile Qb.
I know Shanahan had a way more mobile Qb that they traded 3 first round picks for, and chose to use a way less mobile Qb instead. This I know. You can take it how You want. They believe they can design great schemes, and they don't want a Qb to stray from it by taking off running 100 times a year. This I know.