Reid is about to have a worse season than Tomlin has ever had…

….Because he lost the leagues best QB for FOUR GAMES. We rip Tomlin for not win in playoff games lately. Folks dismiss the value of QB play in success. We are dismissive of the no losing record streak.

The great Andy Reid is about to have a losing season with a few games missing Mahomes.

Tomlin has a better win percentage than Reid will have this season with:
1. Wilson who was benched on his prior team and current team was demoted to QB 3.
2. Fields, also benched, a 5 year yet whose ONLY winning season was under Tomlin.
3. Kenny- So impressive that THE BROWNS got rid of him
4. Mason Rudolph- 1-4 as a non-Steeler starter.
5. Landry Jones- Could not make another team as a backup
6. EVEN DUCK HODGES had a 500 record as a starter.


Now get this.
TOMLIN IS 3-0 head to head with Reid when he had the better QB. Pre-Mahomes, Tomlin was 3-1 versus Reid. He only lost Ben was injured and Reid’s Chiefs beat LANDRY JONES.

Does this make Tomlin the better coach? No, you are judged by your wins, and Reid has had more success than Tomlin.

But just like BB and Brady, you cannot dismiss the advantage elite QB play gives a coach. And remove those QBs and they suddenly they have losing seasons.

TOMLIN HAS HAD YEARS OF THIS and we lose our minds that a team with a QB that has no business MAKING a playoff, loses round one.

To the extent that Tomlin is responsible for not having a QB, he does bear responsibility. Reid was savvy making the move to get him. But if someone drafted Mahomes before Reid makes his move, how would that change our perception of him?

One last fun fact.
Yeah Tomlin has not won a playoff game recently.
The last coach he beat? ANDY REID the last time Tomlin had the better QB.

 

Nobody have said that Tomlin did not have a high floor....

And every head coach or team can have a bad season.It happens to Tomlin,like 2009 and 2018....

But I also would loved to see the killer b's era with a great offensive coach like Andy Reid!

 

Tomlin will likely set the record for all nfl coaches. Vegas thinks he will. The record is nine seasons and counting without a playoff win.


Yeah, but he won the super bowl in his second season. Yes— he did! 21 of 22 starters were drafted and developed by Bill Cowher.


Happy holidays to all.

 

The Steelers lost ONE PLAYOFF GAME where the killer bees played together through more than 1 quarter.
They scored 42 points in that loss.

 

What is Reid’s ceiling with Kenny, or current versions of Wilson, Mason, or Fields considering Reid is about to have a losing season with 13 games of Mahomes?

THAT is my point. Lack of playoff success is an issue with “coaching” when your starters are not just not elite, they are not legitimate starters.

 

Reid has been in the super bowl 5 of the last 6 years before this year and in 2023 and 2024,Mahomes was clutch but he was far to be the best QB in the league if you look at the stats.Down year can happen for every players,team or head coach and you focus only on the few bad season when 85-90% of the time,they were great.Make no sense

Reid had won over 60% of the time before the Mahomes era,you can't ignore that.The chiefs were 53-27 with Alex Smith as QB who was a average QB.A low ceilling QB....And for the draft of Mahomes,Reid had a big say on that the same way that Tomlin had a big say on Kenny Pickett in 2022

For the others QB you named,A.J Feely was so good under Andy Reid in 2002 that the dolphins gave up a second round draft pick to the eagles to have him.

 

DAB

 

They gave up what we got for Chase Claypool? I would suggest that does not scream “the answer” beyond a low end bridge QB.

In the post prime Ben era, nothing in Reid’s career would lead one to believe he would be winning playoff games given our QBs.Nothing.

Smith? Tomlin is 3-0 versus Reid Chiefs whenever he had the better QB (Ben over Smith). THIS is my central point. The difference is the QBs.

I my initial post I did both acknowledge Tomlins responsibility related to finding the right QB and credited Reid who absolutely was central to moving up to get Mahommes.

 

3 games is a way too small sample size.

Andy Reid is much better with quarterbacks too, and for the development... Even Michael Vick, after two years out of prison, had a great year under Reid back in 2010.Vick was hot garbage in the 3-4 games under Tomlin even with Bell,Bryant and AB

It's true that Pickett was awful no matter whar, but the Steelers would have failed with several young quarterbacks if they'd had Matt Canada as their OC in the first two years... it was ridiculous. A quarterback like a young Donovan McNabb would have been pathetic in a Matt Canada offense and would have been a bust... the same goes for a veteran like Alex Smith, who is a perfect example of how important it is to be in the right situation. Smith was in a terrible situation in his first six years with the 49ers and he was awful, but with Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid afterward, much, much better.Coaching matter!

 

Say what? Ever heard of Marvin Lewis?

 

I was shocked when they said Tomlin was picking up his 200th win and the active coach currently with the most wins is Andy Reid at 307.

 

All things I've been saying. Hell Reid has had a 4-12 season the year he got fired. I personally am best friends with a few KCs guys, and have been to multiple KC/Pittsburgh games with them, and they were ready to get rid of Reid till Mahomes 2nd year. I sat, and listen to a bunch of them at a tailgate before a game one night.
I'm not saying Reid sucks, he's a very good HC, but this whole genius comes because of Patrick Mahomes. If it wasn't for Patrick Mahomes holding that team together this year, they might not have 5 wins.

 

That's not true about the players, and I will bet real money on this. .
I already did a real break down of Players on the team from Cowhers SB win to the next SB win, and the next SB .

 

Don't forget Harrison, who was no draft of Cowhers, and was a backup until Tomlin, and that's not even counting backups, and ST players. I did a big breakdown post of this when I first finally signed on to the board.

 

We also lost our leading pass rusher (Porter) resurrected Ike who was good for a month in 2005 under Cowher and was hot garbage in 2006. Harrison? If Cowher "developed" him why was he on the bench behind the likes of Haggins?

Joel criticizes Tomlin for not starting our LT earlier. Cowher had JH riding the pine, cut him TWICE. Ravens almost stole him.

 

13 points today. 4th straight week the "offensive genius walrus" failed to score 14 points. Just maybe quarterbacks matter?

 

They will have a high draft pick then , the year you are not competitive better lose as much is possible better be up and down than always in the middle

 

are you stupid or what?

Never said that QB don't matter but if you want to domplay his coaching career of over 400 games after a meaningless game with a QB who doesn't belong in the NFL, I don't know what to say, especially since the Chiefs only lost by 7 points against a team that's currently 13-3.

 

Well was wrong, Stapleton did not play under Cowher. And of course Timmons. But the rest of 2008 opening day starters did. So Tomlin won with the super bowl with almost all Bill Cowher players.

 

Yes they weren't drafted but were brought in when Cowher was coach.

Woodley and Timmons were part of Bags Tomlins first 2 seasons. Solid pieces.

Bags waltz into a perfect situation with a ready built team and a franchise QB.

I believe if Cowher stayed he would have been hoisting another Lombardi.

 

Comparing Andy Reid with Bags Tomlin is just laughable.

In the last decade (roughly 2015-2025), Andy Reid transformed the Kansas City Chiefs into an NFL dynasty, winning three Super Bowls (LIV, LVII, LVIII), appearing in five total, and reaching the AFC Championship game seven straight years (2018-2024), solidifying his legacy with quarterback Patrick Mahomes, achieving multiple 10+ win seasons, and becoming one of the winningest coaches ever.

 

I thought this game was a big red flag for the Broncos because they were nearly beaten by Chris Oladukan at QB for the Chiefs.