Political Correctness gone WILD!

No that's exactly what I was saying. Actually, Goodell came out this week and said that he backs Snyder and that it's not gonna be changed. I think that's fine. I think the Redskins is a cool name anyway. But since we have to be all "correct" now maybe we should teach our kids to play "guys who work with horses and native americans" because "cowboys and indians" might be a little too offensive. The bleeding hearts touch me Myron. They really do. LOL. Can't you just FEEL the love???

 

Hey dude I understand what your saying and I ABSOLUTELY respect SINCERE people that are doing this. The problem with this is that it's absolute grandstanding on the part of some politician trying to take up a "cause" and that makes me suspicious. I also want to clarify that when I responded to Myron I hadn't read your post and I wasn't talking about you I was just talking in general about the pc police. But when you mentioned "retarded" it reminded me of something. Some times words take on a totally different meaning and life of their own. I have have a pastor friend who had some kids that were kidding around with him and he said "that's retarded" just joking around. Well that's a pretty basic way to talk about something now and he, or they, didn't think anything about it. Well it turns our there were some parents there that had a retarded kid and it really did hurt their feelings and obviously when he realized he had done that he went to them and apologized and told them he wouldn't use that word anymore. Another example, actually from the same guy, was that one day my dad went to see him to give him something and he didn't have time to meet with him and so my dad said "that's cool I'll just leave it with your secretary" and he said "oh man don't call her that! I learned the hard way that it is now 'administrative assistant". When my dad told me about that I just shook my head so dang hard and thought "wow. just wow". Another word that gets used like that is "gay". My mom's middle name is actually "Gay". But back then it simply meant "happy". But now if something is really lame I always call it "gay" and lots of people do that. I have honestly thought about what you say before though. The way I thought about it was that since I'm a Christian I've always thought "what if people called really lame things Christian"? I wouldn't like it personally but ultimately they have a first amendment right to say what they want to regardless of whether it's actually "right" or not. Larry Flynt said "The first amendment protects the speech you hate" and that's pretty much how it is. It's like these nuts that say don't call illegal immigrants illegal immigrants because it's insulting. Well what DO you call someone that comes here "illegally"? Do we now need to call bank robber "undocumented customers"? I mean come on man there are obvious places to draw the line. Also maybe you didn't notice that earlier in the thread there was a poll I put up with over 90% of indians saying they were fine with it. But again I TOTALLY respect what you say and have no ill will toward you at all. I actually very much enjoy your analysis of our beloved team.

 

You know where the bleeding hearts end up with me BFT...:darkness:

 

Now now you know you're just one big ex boxer teddy bear. HA!

 

....U Da man BFT!!!!

 

o.k.....
Dammmit...
Let`s just cut the bull****, o.k.?
All "political correctness" boils down to, is, let`s find a better "euphemism", for the word we really want to say...
When the military says, "We will neutralize the target", when they mean "kill" the enemy,...
, Or nowadays, you shouldn`t say "retarded", you are supposed to say "mentally challenged"...
Or, damn, don`t say "mailman", `cause some women deliver the mail too... you should say "mailperson"...
etc... etc.. etc...
I could show yinz a sh**load of examples of this, but, basically, it just comes down to one word, or another, describing the same thing...
Ya don`t think words have power?
To me, it just comes down to semantics...
I`m a huge fan of the late comedian, George Carlin...
And he tried very hard to point out the hypocrisy, involved, in our language, and make the point, that words are just words...
If we, as a society didn`t think that "the 7 dirty words", weren`t "dirty", they wouldn`t be...
And more importantly, we try to "tone down", the things that are important...
One of my all time favorite bits of his, involves the evolution of "shell shock"...
I don`t have the link right now, but he talks about how "post traumatic stress disorder" came to be.
No doubt it`s a real condition...
But in World War One, it was called Shel Shocked, and as time passed, and people became more "sensitive", the same condition, became "post traumatic stress disorder"...
Same condition, but a "gentler" way of describing it...
Same issue, I personally have with "ADHD"...
Kids generally are hyperactive... It is hard to get them to sit still, and listen to a teacher....
Although a good teacher can do that, without half of their class being prescribed mind altering drugs...
Used to just be called, "kids bein kids"...
Sorry, Got off on a rant.
I`ll quit now.
But, basically, to me, "political correctness" means, we won`t say what`s true, because we are afraid of "offending" somebody...
Sorry, but I will always speak my mind.
If it hurts somebody`s feelings, Sorry, But if it`s what I believe is true. I will say it.
Just like I don`t think every kid that plays sports should get a trophy...
I think they should EARN that trophy, by winning the games...
Damn, Sorry `bout their "self-esteem"...
I think their esteem would be better served by "earning" the trophy...
And realizing that if they put in hard work, to achieve their goals, they will be rewarded...
If not, they won`t...
Kinda like life...
They are not gonna be handed anything they haven`t earned, but, if they put forth the effort, they can get whatever they want...
I guess that`s my problem with "p.c."...
Is when people think you`re a bad person, because you speak the truth, instead of worrying about "hurting someone`s feelings"...
Maybe I was just born too late, but I prefer to think of it as being raised right.
I will call it as I see it, and won`t ask for anything I haven`t earned...
Opinions are like *******s, everyone`s got one, and, that`s mine.
Peace...



And by the way, BFT... Don`t ever call your wife, "your old lady", unless you have cleared it with her first!...
Apparentley, that is a derogatory term, even if it just part of your natural slang.
Even if you are not saying it directly to her, as in,...
Hey baby, I was telling my co-worker, "My old lady makes the best lasagna I have ever had"...
And I get hit with "I am NOT your "old lady"...
Yikes!!! Be careful with that un-politically correct term...
Outta all the un-favorable words I know to refer to a woman...
I can`t believe THAT one, got me in the doghouse for a day or two!!!

 

I agree about giving everyone a trophy and not keeping score and all that. It's TOTALLY ridiculous. I don't mind all the kids getting a trophy as long as they actually MAKE the team and don't just get appointed to it and also if the BEST kids are recognized as the BEST kids by getting MVP and things like that ya know. In America we believe that all men are CREATED equal but not that all are guaranteed equal RESULTS. Nor that all men will FINISH equal. Can you imagine if some of these people had their way? 32 teams would take the podium on Super Bowl Sunday. LOL! Someone should do a youtube vid of all the teams getting to lift the trophy and being in a parade. HA!

 

I've been reading all of this and let you guys talk it out without giving my opinion, but theres no need to know! You just summed it up completely! Couldnt have said it better myself!

 

1st world problems

 

LOLOLOLOL!!!! That's awesome that you say that about "the old lady"! My wife HAAAAAAAAAATES that!!! I never actually refer to her as that but she told me that she hates to be called that and I told my buddy about it so whenever he's around we will say it just for fun. But yeah if I was really gonna say that as Hank Williams would say you'd probably have to "move it on over" in your doghouse. LOL!

 

Hey Myron, better go to another thread, quick. This one has words.

I think it boils down to who's offended. If nobody was offended, no one would care. I've read here that it's not really Native Americans, it's Berkeley/Hollywood/grandstanding politicians. Of course there will be people putting on a show (politicians on both sides of the aisle can go fill their shoes with poo for all I care), but let's not act like that isn't the case on both sides. I'm not sure when the last time Roger Goodell made a decision that wasn't about money, but I don't see why he'd change now. And since we all know he has no respect for the integrity of the entire sport, I doubt he's standing up to Congress for the integrity of one team mascot. He doesn't for a second think that Redskin is some kind of noble term like he says. He says that Redskin stands for strength, dignity, respect, etc., and was never meant to denigrate any racial group. Of course, that's factually not true, because it's a racial slur and that was its specific intention. But he basically claims that the NFL's Redskin is entirely different from everybody else's redskin. They picked the same word and put a red Native American on the helmet, but they meant it in a good way, not the traditional insulting way. And even if the guy who named them that was a big fat racist, that was a long time ago, and they mean it in a good way now. I'm not saying Goodell's racist, but he's upholding a racial slur for fill in the blank reasons. Whether people intend offense or not when they say it is irrelevant. Whether you accidently drop a 50 pound weight on my foot and break my toe, or stomp on my foot as hard as you can and break my toe, what's the difference to my toe? You can't say something offensive and erase the harm by saying "no offense."

What gets me is that you guys are deciding who is and isn't offended. You are speaking for yourselves first, but then you go on to speak for all Native Americans, and you just can't do that. Not even if you were both Native American could you do that. If you wouldn't say it to their faces (and correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm preeeetty sure you wouldn't), then you know it's not a right thing to say. And if you know that, how can you say it's not a legitimate complaint, by whoever is making it?

And if you really don't care who you offend, which I've read here, then what does that say about you as a person? It's one thing if it's, "I don't think the kids on the losing team should get a trophy, and I don't care who that offends!" Because that wouldn't really offend anyone. People might disagree, but no one can take personal offense to that, even if their kid is Steve Urkel. And if they are so sensitive that they do take offense to that, then at least you have a leg to stand on and a valid point of view to defend yourself with. It's another thing, however, if you're saying, "I don't think we should change the name. I'm gonna call 'em ******s and I don't care who that offends!" See the difference? Can't you see why that's not right? Can't you see why insisting to call them ******s, even if you don't think they really are ******s and would never say that to one's face, and don't mean anything by it, is a bad thing? If you have a community asking you to stop calling a football team the ******s because it hurts their feelings, is your response seriously going to be, "No, you bleeding heart. It's a free country. And relax, I don't mean you're a ******. The ******s are a football team." Don't you see how that's wrong? It's crazy offensive, and it's pointless, too. What do we get out of keeping them the Redskins? Is your 80 year tradition of being accidently racist that important to you? Is it the principle of the thing, that you shouldn't have to change your ways because of some bleeding heart politicians? Because if we're talking principles in this debate, I don't think the side that doesn't care who it says racial slurs to has a leg to stand on at all.

 

The truly offensive thing is that our elected officials have nothing more pressing to worry about than the name of one of the oldest franchises in the NFL. I'm going to exercise my right to be offended by something and demand that the names "Cavemen/Cavers" be dropped from all sports teams and schools because someone's ancestor, "Oog" hit my ancestor, "Urk" with a club and stole his cave!!

 

It's embarrassing that congress is getting involved. It's more embarrassing that it took involvement of congress to get people to notice. And it's most embarrassing that the name wasn't changed willingly by mortified team owners decades ago.

 

Goodell is a fool.

It really is all money with this guy. He doesn't care about players safety, and he doesn't care that Europeans could give a flying flip about American Football. He will always side with profit.

 

Snack, I agree, it`s a racist term.
I agree, there really is no reason we shouldn`t change it.
I also think it the LEAST of the Native Americans` problems.
If it will make a few of them feel better, it`s no skin off my back, to change the name.
That really does NOTHING to rectify the injustices we have done to them as a people, tho.
Kinda like formally "apologizing" for slavery, or the way we treated Japanese Americans, at the beginning of WW2...
Or, "apologizing" for any other injustice, real, or imagined, that we have made any ethnic group, or foreign country, "suffer", thru during the course of our history.
To me, it`s still just a name.
Not that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things.
Like some of us used to be told... "Sticks and Stones will break my bones, but names will never hurt me"...
Just my take on it, and I know it`s not the current majority opinion on it, nowadays, but, like I said...
That`s MY opinion...
Everyone else is free to have theirs.
I do get your point, tho, and like I said at the beginning of this post... Won`t hurt me a bit, if they decide to find a more "politically correct" name for that team.
Big ado about nothing, to me.
If I DID have more than a smidgen of "Indian" blood running thru my veins, there are plenty of other issues that would have me "seeing red", but, again, that`s just me.
Peace, Kimosabe

 

Yeah, I agree it's not going to do diddly to repair the damage that has been done to them. But we could at least ease the boot off of their neck a little. After the massive injustices that our ancestors did to their ancestors, it seems odd that they remain the only race for whom we have no problem bandying about racial slurs. It's just unnecessary insult to injury. And even if we hadn't done any wrong to their people (like some people say, it's not like WE did it personally; it happened generations ago), it's still unnecessary insult. "You got bigger problems than me insulting you, so why should I stop" doesn't have much of a ring to it.

 

WOW.....See wind bag...... guarantee almost nobody read this whole post.....Just way to long with no substance!!!

 

They should change the name to Pale Faces. LOL.

 

Know that will never happen.....but love the thought BFT!!!!

 

Wait.....Should I be offended by that??

 

How do you know there's no substance? Did you lie about reading it, or are you just making assumptions? Do you know how much Native Americans like being called redskins the same way that you know what other people do and don't read on this site?

 

Yes. Yes you should. I was thinking it would be one of those moments where they'd be like "that'll teach 'em"!!! LOL!

 

How would I know there is no substance in this post if I didnt read it??....I did read it all.....can you give me my 5 mins of life back I spent reading this ****?? It was a waist of time!!

 

Are Indians really offended by the term or is it more white man's guilt? Which casino, errrr, reservation is crying about the term? Whose ancestors stole land from the Indians? Not mine. Here in the west, you would have to be of Spanish descent to have started crimes against native peoples, especially if you're Catholic!
"You don't have the right to not be offended!"

 

It sure was. Next time I won't assume you are capable of an adult conversation. Lesson learned for me.