Kenny Pickett

nah, I’m good.

He asked for an example and I gave him one. Any additional information is just deflecting from the obvious because if Baker was such a baller he would have stuck in Carolina or LA.

That is what NB and others are trying to imply due to Kenny’s journey but folks who are honest know sometimes you just need to find the right team for things to click.

 

It is way to quick to think that Jones will be anything other than a backup who had a good game.

I agree that the Browns screwed up in moving on from Mayfield. I couldn't care less about one playoff game in evaluating a player, but he showed real promise in 2020, then struggled while playing through a shoulder injury the following season. They gave up a huge haul in trade, an insane contract, and any shred of dignity to get Watson when Mayfield is the better player.

 

Maybe.. but I doubt they walked over and sat Kenny down and said “buddy, we want Russ next year”

Given the results last year I would’ve preferred letting Mason and Kenny duke it out in camp but I also think Tomlin isn’t the type to have a real QB competition in camp. We wouldn’t have started Trubisky if we had a real QB competition in 2022.

 

Why do you ask questions to which you already know the answers?

 

The bigger question is why do I waste time responding to you thinking I will get an intelligent answer

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Get the last word in and run along

 

I think when you draft a QB first and he gets you the first playoff win since Vinny Testerverde you should probably slow down on starting over for a QB.

and it wasn’t like they tossed him aside for a winner.

they chased stats when they went after Watson. He was also out of football for a year which was ridiculous.

and Mac Jones is 3-0 as a starter. 6TDs, 1INT and averages about 280 passing yards a game.

Offense looks exactly the same as with Purdy. I can’t stand Mac Jones but he is playing well.

 

I think we were going to have that competition. But the opportunity to get Russ for "free" was too good to pass up.

Then we also got Fields for pennies on the dollar.

I think it's pretty hard to argue that Mason/Kenny would have been better QB depth than Russ/Fields.

I think we both agreed (on another board) that we would have been better off starting Fields for the last couple / few games last year.

Re: Mitch. I think this was more about our ethos (going back to at least Cowher) of making rookies earn their starting spots. Maybe we should have made an exception for Kenny at QB. But Ben started his rookie year (under Cowher obviously) as QB3. Mitch was clearly a bad QB. Especially in that situation where I think he knew he was going to the bench eventually so he was hunting for big plays to put on tape. He did have a couple games (coming in for an injured Kenny) where he played OK by embracing the system. And even though that offense was among the least entertaining things I've ever watched, it was a decent system for trying to win with poor QB play. I think this is ultimately why Tomlin's floor for wins is so high. And why I've been worried that we'll be in a Bill's like QB wilderness for a while (between Kelly and Allen).

 

oh.. so ypu are one of those

We knew what Mason could do and still started Mitch. It made no sense.

On paper Fields/Russ was better. However, as we witnessed and Giants have witnessed.. Russ is at the end of his journey.

I'm just not sure any QB besides Rodgers could excel in this offense because I think he has the resume to tell coaches no or change plays and they will respect it vs handcuffing him. We still have to see what this O looks like once it plays better competition. I was fooled by Russ last year.

 

Way that looks It

 

Baker Mayfield was winning in Cleveland, but as stupid as Cleveland is they got rid of him for a player they are still paying that is not playing

 

Nobody has a real competition when You are spending a lot more money, and , or draft capital for a player, until You just can't. We see it every year , everywhere. It the reason Indy stuck with Richardson untill they couldn't, it's the reason Chicago stuck with Fields until they couldn't, and it's the reason Geno Smith is still starting until they just can't take it anymore, and these are just a few examples.

 

Did he sell his stadium? I distinctly remember him owning it in the commercials.

 

Rodgers has made a lot of money in his career and just got married a while ago. If he got pissed, I could see him pulling an Andrew Luck and calling it quits in mid stride. So I bet that the Steelers pay attention to what he says because without him, may as well trade TJ Watt to the Packers.

I also think that he has a stronger personality than Wilson did. I believe that if something is irking him, he is going to call it out and get it fixed in a blunt and no nonsense manner.

 

Why do you think we "knew what Mason could do" when we were starting Mitch? Mason had never played as well as he did when he forced Kenny to the bench.

When he got a chance to start when Ben went out, he was not that good.

Then when he want to TEN, he was also not that good.

Because he's a career backup, who isn't all that good.

I think you've argued (correctly IMO) that Mason isn't actually as good as he looked in that small sample (outside the Rats game in the monsoon).

And the fact that he looked so much better than Kenny ever has in those few games was the death knell for Kenny's time with us.

When Kenny got outplayed by the QB3 in Philly, it was time for them to give up on him too.

As I've said above, I agree with you that Baker is a good example that it's possible. But it's probably worth pointing out that no one gave up on Baker while he was still on his rookie deal. Kenny's on team 4 while while still on his rookie deal. But teams are also cutting bait faster on QBs across the league.

 

Coaches get it wrong. Sometimes it takes the right coach for the player. Ref; Darnold, Jones, Maye

 

Not true. Mayfield did a KP....twice! :

"In his third season, the Browns went to the playoffs with an 11-5 regular season record, then they beat the Steelers in a wild 48-37 first round game, their first playoff victory since 1994.
But in 2021, Mayfield spent most of the season playing through injury, and he struggled.
The Browns reacted to those struggles, which were likely because he spent most of the season with a labrum issue and some of it with a knee problem, and went after a new QB in the 2022 offseason.

They traded for Deshaun Watson from the Texans, prompting Mayfield to request a trade of his own, and they shipped him to the Carolina Panthers."

And then did it again:

The Browns traded Mayfield to the Panthers on July 6, 2022, for a fifth-round pick.
Mayfield earned the Week 1 starting job over Sam Darnold, but by December, he wasn't QB1 anymore.
On Dec. 5, 2022, Mayfield was granted a release by the Panthers which he had requested.


Actually, I got it backwards. KP did a Mayfield.

 

Now back to Pickett who is on what team now?

 

The more you know!

I always thought it was weird when folks say Kenny ran when we all know QB’s will request a trade the moment they know a team has lost trust in them.

Who the hell wants to stick around a bunch of people who don’t believe in you anymore? Go elsewhere until you find the right fit.

 

We have been through this argument many times. I guess you get the giggles from repeating your fictional depiction of Pickett's career and departure from the Steelers, but at this point, it is boring. You have shown no interest in an intelligent conversation of the topic. Please stop cluttering the threads with these attempts to pick a fight with me.

 

Well put. I think it started with people buying into the false narrative leaked by the team to cover up their failures with Pickett, but now it's just trolling.

 

I think the Eagles saw that they couldn't count on Pickett to stay healthy. He had multiple injuries with the Steelers, then didn't even last a game when they needed him to replace Hurts. I doubt they were fooled by McKee throwing a couple of touchdowns in garbage time.

Rudolph stepped into the perfect circumstances for those three games at the end of the 2023 season. The team had just gotten rid of Canada, so the incompetent OC was gone. He got the Bengals, who were a complete **** show. Then he got the Seahawks, who couldn't stop the run. It was Harris and Warren who dominated that game, not Rudolph. He did a decent job against a Ravens defense sitting three or four starters in the monsoon. He made one clutch throw and some folks here thought that marked him as a future star.

 

Well, McKee is the prototypical QB coaches drool over. Dude is a giant at 6-6.

and yes, the Mason praise was way overblown that year. He did play well enough but folks acted like Canada was still calling plays and Mason was flourishing.

 

Those folks who ripped Pickett for not throwing enough touchdown passes forget that Rudolph threw three in three starts. Not exactly a record-setting pace.