Tomlin???

Time for the young Dan Rooney, Deuce's son, to take over.

 

I think people look at playoff wins because everyone knows that even if you have the highest standards, you can't expect to win the Super Bowl every year. But you can expect to be in the hunt, and be a contender. But I agree, Super Bowls are really what it's about, so ok, just look at Super Bowls.

Noll = 4
Belichick = 6
Reid = 3 and counting
Tomlin = 1

And he won it when he was the new piece, managing a team and staff already in place. (Great job Mike!!!) He would go on to have an all-time great QB in his prime for a decade and never won another one. They should have won in '10. He lost other playoff games he should have won. I'm a big "it's a team sport" guy and think at times the importance of QBs can be overstated... but let's be real, it makes a huge difference, and outside of '08 Tomlin performed worse with an all-time great QB (and great rosters in addition) than Cowher did with O'Donnell and Stewart.

 

Some teams hire actual coordinators. The Steelers hire "scapegoats":

https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/arti...got_to_point_at_mike_tomlin/s1_17101_42761360

 

Montana was a student of the game and worked hard to put the mental work into it

Much like Brady

I put Ben into the same category with Bubby in that regard

 

I honestly have no idea how the Tomlin Fan Boys don’t understand this?

 

Andy Reid drafted Mahomes. Bill Belichick drafted Tom Brady. Chuck Noll drafted Terry Bradshaw. All three developed their QBs.

 

Ground Control to Major Tom

 

So Tomlin was supposed to throw Ben away . LoL.
Sorry Ben I know Your good ,but so fans will be happy, I gotta get rid of you???
How crazy is that???

 

No Matt how you spin it. None of those coaches won a SB without those Qbs. Not a one, and everyone of them coached with out them, and didn't win one SB. Not one.

 

Tomlin doesn't know how to develop players and is consistently outcoached. He's not a good coach.

 

So did you just start watching yesterday??
So He didn't develop, Bell, AB, Woodley, TJ Watt, Heyward, Gay, Villanueva,Timmons, an many others, hell I'm tired of writing, and that not counting the players that play better with him than before, or after like Ryan Clark, or James Harrison. What You are trying to write is flat out false.

 

At the risk of defending Tomlin, Belichick is out of the NFL, not by choice, and coaching the NCAA power house UNC.

 

same here . I didn't like him from the beginning , wanted to fire him after the jax and i still have to Watch him on the sideline .. sigh !

 

I completely forgot about Kevin Dotson…how the heck do we discard him and he becomes one of the best in the league…

That is a total indictment of coaching.

Dotson is exactly what we need on this team right now, instead of a late round pick and over the hill player at guard.

 

Hey! I hear the defense just realized that they need to communicate and are working on it!

 

Piece of trivia embedded in this story that I didn't know.

Is Harrison speaking the truth?

One of the true legends in Pittsburgh Steelers lore is former outside linebacker James Harrison. The only undrafted free agent to ever win Defensive Player of the Year, Harrison was one of the most feared players in the NFL. Harrison was also one of the hardest workers in the NFL. In fact, Harrison still trains harder than most NFL players even at 47 years old.

Harrison is also one of those guys who never demanded any special treatment. But during his 10 years under head coach Mike Tomlin, he saw plenty of players who did. Harrison went on Nightcap with Shannon Sharpe and he said out loud what every fan has been aware of for a very long time.

"With Mike, the biggest thing I guess that I like about him is he is a player's coach," Harrison said. "And the thing that I dislike about him is he is a players' coach to a point of, sometimes it can disrupt because it goes maybe a little too far with allowing certain things with certain players. And then it becomes an issue with that player."

Harrison was diplomatic when he talked about Tomlin. To be more honest, Tomlin has always had his favorites and he caters to them. Almost to the point of breaking his own rules to appease their fragile egos. The best example was during Steelers training camp, when the bulk of the team was staying in dorms at Saint Vincent College, former wide receiver Antonio Brown rented a huge home near campus and even brought his private chef.

Tomlin preaches that the standard is the standard but historically hasn't held his own players to it and this is why this team finds itself on the wrong end of the playoffs for nearly a decade.

 

Spin?? That was just saying what happened and counting lol.

And I was talking about with Ben:

Noll = 4
Belichick = 6
Reid = 3 and counting
Tomlin = 1

And he won it when he was the new piece, managing a team and staff already in place. (Great job Mike!!!) He would go on to have an all-time great QB in his prime for a decade and never won another one. They should have won in '10. He lost other playoff games he should have won. I'm a big "it's a team sport" guy and think at times the importance of QBs can be overstated... but let's be real, it makes a huge difference, and outside of '08 Tomlin performed worse with an all-time great QB (and great rosters in addition) than Cowher did with O'Donnell and Stewart.


And I know you said playoff wins don't mean anything, but it's objectively an indicator of how competitive a team is, especially when you have 14 years' worth of data. Playoff wins in 4 out of 14 seasons with an all-time great QB (and usually a very good rest of the roster as well!) is low. If someone told me we'd have an all-time great QB and a very solid roster, including some league-best players at various positions, I'd have thought we'd come out with way more than that, plus 1-2 more Super Bowls.

 

At some point you have to come to terms that the HC is okay with .500+ winning percentage regardless of being super bowl competitive. That's the standard.

 

Ben had more talent than Montana and Brady. But no doubt they had the prep and mental edge down. Thats what gets you ahead. Ben lacked in that department. Brings to mind Jeff George: another super talented guy. Who knows were he would end up if he had Brady’s work ethic.

 

Tomlin is kind of like that government employee, doing just enough to get by. Thats what happens when you’ve been at your job too long…

 

I agree 1000%. Sadly it's never gonna happen, and as long as Tomlin and his band of imbeciles are running the team get used to mediocrity.

 

Solid point, Tomlin was unbelievably lucky to inherit an all-time great QB in his 4th year, and have him for the next 14 years.

A counterpoint could be how Tomlin drafted and mismanaged Kenny Pickett. Regardless of what you think of the player, and whatever happened in the war room on draft day, the fact is he doesn't get drafted by an outgoing GM without Tomlin's enthusiastic support. Tomlin paired the 1st round quarterback with the world's worst OC who can't even keep a job in college. After the predictable disaster, Tomlin decided to continue with the Division 3-caliber OC, and then replace the 1st round pick because it wasn't going well.

Whatever you think of Pickett, that was an unmitigated disaster, and Tomlin was responsible.

So, great job with Ben, he really nailed the decision to keep him at QB. Browns-level disaster once he had a shot at finding and developing his own QB.

I assume the other guy meant Tomlin isn't as good at others at developing players, but you did make a point that the Steelers have had good players over the years. Some real kick-ass rosters, actually.

...Are you giving Mike Tomlin credit for those guys being good players? Drafting them, sure, but does anyone think Bell or Heyward or Watt would have busted somewhere else?

Funny you listed Harrison and Timmons.

Timmons worked out because he was forced into his natural position, but we forget he was drafted to play OLB, where he would have failed. Tomlin's first move as coach was to draft a guy out of position and use him to replace Joey Porter instead of James Harrison.

On top of that, Harrison obviously hadn't exploded yet, but he'd shown enough that I was really excited to see what he could do. Timmons backed up Harrison to start the year, and when Harrison exploded, Timmons rode the pine and they moved him inside the next year where he flourished. Imagine a world where we don't get James Harrison, Timmons becomes a bust, and Larry Foote gets another 5 years inside. Good thing Harrison didn't get hurt in the 2007 preseason.

Wild move for a first draft pick. I remember not getting it at the time, because he was an OLB in a 4-3 in college and great sideline-to-sideline, which translates more to ILB for us, and we had Larry Foote starting who could use an upgrade (not to mention a successor to Farrior). I don't think he'd shown any edge-rushing ability at all.

Clark joined in 2006 and played great that year. It was the shift to the Steelers and LeBeau's defense that made him so good and fit him like a glove, not the coach that joined a year later.

Anyway, I just wanted to point those things out. I don't think Tomlin's biggest problem is he can't develop players... Although I do think whether players develop has a lot to do with coordinators and assistant coaches, and it's not a coincidence the names you mentioned joined the team in '07, '07, '07, '10, '11, '12, '14, and '17. A long time ago we had much better coordinators and assistant coaches. Unfortunately it seems like recently we get players that come in with a lot of promise, but don't meet it.

 

So you are telling me if they are good, it because they would be good anywhere. LoL.
Let's us R. Clark he played NFL before coming here, and after, and yet his best years were here. Let's use AB....best years was as a Steeler, and I just guess the 6th round Wr are just destined to be great. How about 2nd round L. Bell everyone gushed at how great he was. How good was he after he left. Let's use Claypool while not great, he was way better here than anywhere else. Let's use DJ, while also nor great , he was way better here than anywhere. I can keep doing this.
Also TJ Watt was such a for sure pick, and everyone knew he would be great that he lasted till pick 30, and 7 pass rushers were taken before him. LoL. Some of You make me laugh so freaking hard.