My thoughts on reg season wk 2

Daniels didn't struggle at times he was their best OL, unfortunately he got injured in his last season with the team. Seamalu is just old and past his prime he sucked last year, they probably should've drafted a guard in the draft this year.

 

You know this is being used to attack Tomlin, which is fair. That it happened under Noll shows that maybe that isn't quite as fair a criticism of the head coach as it might seem on the surface.

 

True but the eagles defense was horrible in 2023.Miami had a good defense before they had so many injuries on defense at the end of the year....Fangio had a lot of success as DC in the last 15 years as in SF, Chicago and now Philly....Even as a head coach, the broncos defense was very solid, it was because of his offense that he lost his job

Tomlin and Butler or Tomlin and Austin are below average defensive coach with scheme who don't work in the current NFL

 

The Steelers took Johnson in the third round. I think they see he has potential.

Of course, they could have put off addressing the position if they hadn't been dumb enough to let Harris go.

 

This is a major problem at the o-line but this is also the case at the other position like Payton Wilson,Porter Jr,etc....They can't take the next step because the steelers can't develop under the current coaching staff

 

Noll was WELL past his prime, too - at this time

we BOTH see the similarity.

the kid should not have been on the field.

 

Could somebody tell me how there was no clear recovery of that kick off in the end zone that gave the Seahawks a touchdown? The only one that I saw with possession was a stealer the Seahawk guy didn’t have clear possession and rolled out of bounds and no one reviewed it or even questioned it.

 

Expand on that idea.

The biggest hole in Payton Wilson's game is that he can not get off blocks and/or fight through traffic - a complaint that dogged him in college as well. I think we all can agree on that. Here is just one example of a draft write up that identifies this weakness in his game: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/payton-wilson/32005749-4c77-2747-aac4-9ba7cad134d0

Please explain how coaching can change that. What would a non-Steelers coaching staff do differently? What could the current staff do that they are not doing?

 

I disagree with some of that. Coaching is greater than talent (to a degree) IMO. A great coaching staff can elevate mediocre players into being a great team. A lack luster coaching staff is not going to see a great team under any circumstances IMO. Obviously there has to be some base skill for the coaches to work with, but look at a team like the Cowboys. How many great players have they had? And they are still mired in the same spot we are. Lots of examples like that.

We have coaching issues. Until that problem is addressed, it won't matter who Khan drafts, trades for or gives an extension to. We continually show up, appearing to have not studied any tendencies of the other team, or to be prepared for what they are most likely to do in their effort to shut us down. (We suck against the run and the middle of the field is a gimmee. Expect teams to continue to pound on these areas, but we won't change anything to stop it).

We have been mired in the same purgatory for 10 years. Who are the common denominators during that time? It is not TJ Watt. It is not any QB. It is not Patrick Queen.

 

You're not wrong, but the Steelers have problems everywhere, like development, roster construction, etc.

Porter had a good rookie season, but he's regressed since then... other young players haven't progressed as they should.

I don't think the Steelers will do that since it's never been their style, but they need to change everything, like the coaching staff, players, and front office too. I didn't like Khan's offseason, since the team is much older, and as for Tomlin, he could be successful on another team if he has a good coaching staff around him. I don't know if it's because of Rooney or Tomlin, but the coaching staff has been small and weak since at least 2019.

Austin is a good position coach, but not a good DC... Butler was a good linebacker coach, but as a DC, it was a different story... O-line coach has been terrible since Munchak left.

Tomlin's floor is very solid, but his ceiling is the problem, and yes, Khan is the GM, but Tomlin has a say in roster construction too.

It would be good for everyone if we had a complete overhaul. Look at how much better the Eagles and Andy Reid have been since they split up. Unfortunately, I can't trust Art Rooney to make the right decision after that. The Steelers way was great for so long, but it's not working anymore.

 

Ok. Again...assume everything you say is true. Got evidence and examples of that? Or are you just angry the Steelers are not winning more?

You made a big claim about Wilson's development. Then backed off when asked to explain it.

You are making really big claims again. So...which young players? Brod Jones? He is struggling EXACTLY how his 19 college starts went. It was just that in college most of the guys he faced were not NFL caliber so it looked better on paper. But many many people pointed out his technique and consistency issues. So, is that a lack of coaching or a player just being flawed in a way that only the player can fix...if he can fix it?

Patrick Queen is having the EXACT same issues in Pittsburgh that he had in Baltimore. Baltimore traded for Roquan Smith to help alleviate some of Queen's processing issues and coverage responsibilities. Then they let Queen walk in FA because Queen didn't appear to be able to fix some of his issues. Was Baltimore bad at coaching too?

Ramsey is suffering the same inability to stay with top WRs in Pittsburgh that has followed him for several years now. Ramsey still has elite ball skills, can pressure out of the slot, and is an incredible run defender as a DB. But he simply is no longer a great man coverage CB especially when he can not use the sideline to pin the WR in place. Unfortunately, Jalen Ramsey still thinks he is a great man coverage CB and he thinks he can still close on anyone to break up the pass. He keeps trying to do it, and the WR just runs past him for a big play. I guess that could be coaching in that they traded for Ramsey and keep putting him out there. Or it could be Ramsey refusing to adapt this his declining physical abilities.

Andy Reid got better when Mahomes came into his life. The Chiefs have struggled mightily the past few seasons to put together a functional offense without Tyreek Hill to just destroy defensive gameplans. Their offense is now "Holy Crap! Mahomes save us!".

I look around the league every Sunday....and the biggest difference I see is that the Steelers have ****ty QB play. That's it. The teams that are winning have flaws and holes too. They just have a QB that covers it up.

 

The chiefs had the number 1 offense in 2022 in the first year without Hill and also make the super bowl the next 2 years even if Mahomes was not at his best and the offense overall had some major problem,like wide receiver in 2023 and o-line(LT) last season.He also won 11 games per year in average with Alex Smith in 5 seasons(same W-L record that the steelers in the killer b's era from 2014 to 2018) with a team who was 2-14 before he take the job in 2013

 

All I know is that through the first two weeks of 2025 and for big stretches of last year, Reid's offense has looked staler than old bread.

If you are arguing that the Steelers have gone stale as a coaching staff, might not want to lean too hard into Reid as a great example of what change brings.

Reid had success with some all world talent and then has gone kinda stale again (exactly what people claim happened with the Eagles). And the Eagles went through how many coaches and systems before they got it right?

Also...coaching is the most over-rated/over-blamed aspect of things by fans. It is important. But...jeesh...the current Iggles and past Chiefs won because their roster was freaking loaded with jaw-dropping young talent. I suspect that made everyone look like a genius.

Kinda like that Staley dude. He was the most genius young DC that ever geniused and then he did NOT have prime Aaron Donald and prime Jalen Ramsey to make him look smart and he looked real dumb.


The Steelers have a talent and player execution issue first and foremost. Everything else is a distant second.

 

Andy Reid has a say in the roster... I mean, Reid hired their current GM, so he deserves credit when the Chiefs were loaded with talent.

It's possible the Chiefs will have a down season this year. They've been to the AFC Title Game 7 times and the Super Bowl 5 times in the last 7 years, so success like that, even with the best QB in the world, isn't easy, and sometimes down seasons happen... I still believe the Chiefs will make the playoffs as wild card. They have a tough schedule to start with, and two of their best WRs are out right now.

 

KC will have a tougher time in their division. Chargers and Broncos look much better, a lot of KC success or like the success New England had was their division was terrible.
The Jets, Bills, and Dolphins never contended with the Patriots, outside a couple years when the Jets had a good defense. The Patriots would just cruise.

AFC North never has year where one time is so great and the other 3 are just horrid, hardly ever happens.
Even when the Steelers were going to Super Bowls, Baltimore was right there every time.

When you division sucks you just cruise to a good record, homefield, and maybe a bye in 1st round...

 

Yeah,every head coach of this division have been in the super bowl at least once!

 

Except Kevin Stefanski,

 

I was talking about the AFC west!

 

Ahh yes you are correct on that account! All 4 have. All winners too except Jim Harbaugh.

 

daniels and seumalo were playing well before they got injured. seumalo i don't believe has gotten over the injury from last year. plus his age. he is not the same player he was from two years ago. dotson wasn't a highly drafted player. jones was but that doesn't make them NFL good. mccormick isn't playing badly. nor is fautanu. they were thrown to the fire so has frazier. they probably won't be at an all-pro level in less than a season of starts. not many do. fix the ones that are fixable and move on from the ones that aren't. trouble is this team went all or nothing on these guys without a backup plan. they saw how jones has been playing and thought moving him would make a difference. the backups are barely keepable. i don't think that's all the line coach. there are first round busts all the time. this isn't something new.

 

i think peyton wilson will be just fine.

 

Half of Indy's OL has 3 yrs or less starting. They have not punted the ball yet this year.

It can be done with the right coaching and scheme.

 

Payton Wilson kept getting blocked backwards

Although on one play the guy smashing him on his butt weighed almost 100 pounds more