Do you feel better with Aaron Rogers at QB?

The Cleveland Browns.

 

Now, I just get so mad thinking about what this offense could have done with George Pickens and DK Metcalf along with Aaron Rodgers. We would have definitely been one of the top rated Super Bowl teams in 2025.

 

According to NGS, Rodgers had the 6th fastest time to throw last season, Wilson the 28th. In Roethlisberger's last season, he was #1 fastest thrower of the ball. I'm coming around to the idea that Rodgers final season will look a lot like Roethlisberger's. Rodger's can make quick decisions and unload the ball. The difference maker will be the run game. While Najee had a decent rookie season in Ben's last year, the Steelers need Warren+Johnson combo to be legit threats to break a few.

 

It would have been interesting especially if Rodgers played all 17.

 

It is still the Browns. One game doesn't change that. They sold their souls and broke the bank to acquire a sexual predator to play quarterback only to watch him play like crap while Mayfield turned into a good player for the Bucs. The Jets are also in the running if you want to pick just one laughingstock, but there is a list that goes well before the Steelers.

 

Which AR is going to show up? AR from 24? Or maybe rejuvenated and looking like AR from a few years ago? Or an AR version that is done. From 24 we are better with him but with a 42 year old you dont know what your going to get year to year…

 

Without going into the details here are the top factors that determine Rodgers' Win/Loss record (based on PFR's career per season stats):

They aren't surprising except maybe the order:

1. # of passing TDs
2. QB Rating
3. Adj Net Yds/Att
4. 1st Downs

What is encouraging is that none of these stats are falling off a cliff but rather are steady or in a slow decline.

# of passing TDs is a very strong predictor of wins (duh). But where the Steelers have been particularly weak the last several years is in the RZ. Last year they were 29th in RZ TD%. Rodgers hopefully will allow them to improve that as he was middle of the pack.

(side note; Rudolph was actually one of the better RZ passers in the league with a 58% completion percentage, so we got that to look forward to if Rodgers is a bust )

 

I know it’s not a good comparison but Montana did well throwing 5 yard slants to Rice

 

I agree the Clowns are a laughingstock but the Steelers have become one too.

 

Both total myths.

https://johnbaranowski.wordpress.com/2024/05/09/the-seven-myths-about-dan-marino/

Myth number one: Marino never had a good defense at Miami.

Dan Marino was drafted by the Miami Dolphins in the 1983 NFL draft. In January of 1983, the Miami Dolphins lost to the Washington Redskins 27-17 in Super Bowl XVII. He was drafted by a team just in the Super Bowl!

Does any knowledgeable fan believe that a team reaches the Super Bowl without a good defense? It’s a preposterous notion. Do Marino supporters believe that David Woodley’s quarterbacking led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl or was it far more likely it was Miami’s Killer B’s on defense that led the Dolphins to the Super Bowl? That Dolphin defense gave up the second fewest points in the National Football League in 1982, only three points more than the league-leading Washington Redskins.

Five times in his career Marino had a top 10 defense in points allowed (1983, 1984, 1990, 1995 and 1998). Three times he had a top five defense (1983, 1990 and 1998), and twice, he had a defense that led the league in fewest points (1983 and 1998).

That destroys the myth that Dan Marino never had a good enough defense to win a Super Bowl.

By the way, Peyton Manning led the Indianapolis Colts to a Super Bowl victory in Super Bowl XLI despite the Colts defense being 23rd in the NFL in giving up points.


Myth number two: You need a good running game or star running back game to reach and win a Super Bowl.

The 1966 Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl with team-leading rusher Jim Taylor averaging just 3.5 yards per carry and as a team the Packers averaged just 3.5 yards per carry.

The 1967 Green Bay Packers won the Super Bowl with Jim Grabowski as their leading rusher with 466 yards averaging 3.9 yards per carry.

The 1970 Baltimore Colts won the Super Bowl with Norm Bulaich as their leading rusher on the year with 426 yards averaging 3.1 yards per carry. As a team, the Colts averaged just 3.3 yards per carry.

The 1981 San Francisco 49ers won the Super Bowl with Ricky Patton as their leading rusher, gaining only 543 yards and Patton had a 3.6 yards per carry average. Their second leading rusher, Earl Cooper, rushed for just 330 yards and had a 3.4 yards per carry average. On the year, the 49ers averaged just 3.5 yards per rushing attempt.

The 1982 Washington Redskins won the Super Bowl with team-leading rusher John Riggins averaging just 3.1 yards per carry and just 3.6 yards per carry as a team.

The 2003 New England Patriots won the Super Bowl with Antowain Smith being their leading rusher with 642 yards with a 3.5 yards per carry average. The Patriots as a team averaged just 3.4 yards per attempt.

The 2011 New York Giants won the Super Bowl with Ahmad Bradshaw rushing for a team-leading 659 yards on the season with a 3.9 yards per carry average. The Giants on the year averaged just 3.5 yards per attempt.

The 2019 Kansas City Chiefs won the Super Bowl with Darrien Williams being their leading rusher with 498 yards rushing during the regular season.

There are also other examples of teams that averaged less than four yards per carry as a team that went on to win the Super Bowl.

As for Marino and Miami’s running backs, in 1983, Andra Franklin rushed for 746 yards and Tony Nathan had 685 yards and a 4.5 yards per carry average. In 1984, Woody Bennett rushed for 606 yards with a 4.2 yards per carry average and Tony Nathan rushed for 558 yards with a 4.7 yards per carry average.

In 1985, Nathan again had a 4.7 yards per carry average. In 1986, Lorenzo Hampton rushed for 830 yards and had a 4.5 yards per carry average. In 1987, Troy Stradford had a 4.3 yards per carry average.

In 1991 and 1992, Mark Higgs rushed for 905 and 915 yards respectively. In 1994, Bernie Parmalee rushed for 868 yards with a 4.0 yards per carry average.

In 1996, Karim Abdul-Jabbar rushed for 1,116 yards and the next two seasons he rushed for 892 and 960 yards.

Throughout Marino’s career, there were talented running backs behind him that had good rushing years and averaged more than four yards per carry, more than some teams that won a Super Bowl, but it’s worth asking how many times did Marino ever audible out of a pass to a running play? Marino loved to throw the football and Shula let him.

As for myth number two that you need a good running game or star running back game to reach and win a Super Bowl, it’s exactly that – a myth and untrue.

 

What are the stats of the dolphins defense come playoffs time in the Marino era?

I know their run defense were often poor in the playoffs!

 

I see you are looking for attention

So hi

 

Everything I was trying to say earlier.

 

Stop....stop arguing, and making excuses about a player You never even seen play. This would be like Me arguing about Bobby Layne.

 

C'mon man...This is not excuse,this is reality.Almost impossible to win when your defense gave up over 200 rushing yards in a playoffs game.You can't ignore that.And he talk about the defense like 1990 or 1995 that they were good in the regular season but in the playoffs,they gave up 44 points in 1990 in the snow in Buffalo and over 300 rushing yards in 1995!...Who care about their number in the regular season when they gave up no chance to win in the playoffs...This is like the steelers defense right now.Their number are very good in the regular season but exposed every time in the playoffs in the last 6 games!

 

Stop ignoring his poor play in the big games. Once or twice maybe. More than 10 times with no rings his entire career at any level. That's not a trend. That's a trait.


Let’s look at Marino’s play in his post-season losses:

In 1983 at home against Seattle, Miami lost 27-20. Marino threw two interceptions in 25 passes and had a passer rating of 77.6 wasting Miami’s number one ranked defense in the NFL. Seattle’s defense was ranked 24th out of 28 in the NFL in points given up.

In 1984 in Super Bowl XIX against San Francisco, despite having the highest scoring team in the NFL and a top-10 defense, Marino would lead Miami to only one touchdown and generate only 16 points. Marino would throw two interceptions that day and had a passer rating of 66.9.

As point of reference as to how badly Marino played on the brightest stage, Trent Dilfer in Super Bowl XXXV, had a passer rating of 80.9 for the Baltimore Ravens against the New York Giants. Dilfer’s career regular season passer rating is 70.2. Dilfer raised his game in the Super Bowl. Marino’s career regular season passer rating is 86.4. His Super Bowl passer rating: 66.9.

In 1985 in the AFC Championship Game at home in Miami, Marino would complete only 20-of-48 passes and throw two interceptions as the Dolphins could only score 14 points against the New England Patriots. Marino’s passer rating that day was 54.9. In comparison, the great Tony Eason was unfazed by big game jitters and outplayed Marino badly, throwing three touchdowns, no interceptions and had a passer rating of 130.9.

The Dolphins wouldn’t make the playoffs during the 1986-1989 seasons. In 1990, in a playoff game at Buffalo, Marino would again throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of 72.1. The Dolphins that year had the fourth best scoring defense in the NFL. The Bills had the sixth best scoring defense in the NFL.

The Dolphins would not make the post-season in 1991. In 1992 at home against the Bills in the playoffs, Marino would throw, you guessed it, two interceptions and had a passer rating of 56.5. Miami would not make the playoffs in 1993.

The 1994 season ended in a playoff game at San Diego, Marino played well in the only time his Dolphins team lost in the post-season. Marino was 24-of-38 for 262 yards with three touchdown passes and no interceptions and had a passer rating of 109.8.

With that sole exception, Marino would throw at least two interceptions in every one of Miami’s season-ending playoff games throughout his entire career. It’s hard to win when your quarterback throws two interceptions in any game, especially a more pressure-packed post-season one. Let’s continue.

The 1995 season ended with a playoff loss at Buffalo where Marino would throw three interceptions and had a passer rating of just 63.4. Miami had the 10th best scoring defense in the NFL. Buffalo had the 12th best scoring defense in the NFL. So much for the myth Marino didn’t have a better defense than Miami’s playoff opponent.

Miami did not make the playoffs in 1996. The 1997 season ended with Miami a playoff loss at New England. Marino could only lead Miami to three points in the loss as he was 17-of-43 passing for just 141 yards and two interceptions. His passer rating that day was a putrid 29.3.

The 1998 season ended with a loss at Denver where Marino would again only lead the Dolphins to just three points losing 38-3. Marino would throw two interceptions and had a passer rating of just 65.5 wasting his team’s number one scoring defense in the NFL in 1998.

In Marino’s final season of 1999, the Dolphins would lose to Jacksonville 62-7 as Marino was just 11-of-25 passing for only 95 yards throwing two interceptions. Marino’s passer rating was a putrid 34.6 that day.

What next are you going to tell me? He didn't have a good coach? He played for TWO HALL OF FAME COACHES that BOTH WON TWO SUPER BOWLS without Dan Marino.

 

Winner, and another case of, its not what You do, but when You do it.

 

Incomplete teams are exposed in the playoffs. When you have no running game and a quarterback who makes his offensive lines look better than they really are with his quick release, there are massive weaknesses to be exposed in the playoffs.

Funny how you ignore what he did in the games the Dolphins won in the playoffs during his career, including his dominant run to get them to the Super Bowl in 1984. You also fail to notice things like those Dolphins running into one of the all-time greatest teams in NFL history in that Super Bowl. Funny how you left out Miami's defensive rankings they years they weren't good. You also avoided most statistics that would make Marino look good, such as him throwing two touchdown passes in his first playoff appearance as a rookie in 1993. By the way, he had a better rating than the opposing quarterback in that game, threw more touchdowns, and completed a key pass to set up the go-ahead touchdown with under four minutes remaining in the fourth quarter. Did he cause his defense to give up a go-ahead touchdown drive by Seattle? Was it Marino's fault when Fulton Walker fumbled the next two kickoff returns to hand the Seahawks the game?

Quarterbacks don't win and lose by themselves. Teams win and lose them, and it's a hell of a lot easier to both protect the ball and win games when you have an all-star team around you like Aikman did for every good season of his career.

The best may be how you want to slam Marino for wasting a top-ranked scoring defense in his age-37 season. Aikman had been retired for three years when he was 37.

That is three posters taking the side of Aikman in this argument by either ignoring statistics entirely or picking primarily the ones that help their argument while ignoring the ones that don't.

 

Gave me a break with Dilfer....Dilfer miss so many wide open receiver in the super bowl on deep pass,it was pathetic...And again who care about the rankings of the dolphins defense in the regular season when they were complete trash in the playoffs game and Marino need to play hero ball to have a chance because of their poor playoffs defense....Why you ignore their poor playoffs defense?

Look at the yards,rushing yards and PPG in the 10 losses of Marino and maybe you will understand.True he was not good in the playoffs after 1995 but he was not the same QB.But his teams were very often overmatched in the playoffs against a stronger team and you complete ignore that the top 10 defense in 1995 by the dolphins gave up over 300 rushing yards

and 44 points in 1990 despite to have the 4th best defense in the regular season...I don't care their number when they are complete trash in the playoffs

 

Marino should have been out there on defense making some tackles, dammit!

 

How would You know . You weren't even watching football then. You said so Yourself???

 

why do capitalize Yourself


Now you have me singing wild world

 

Why Rodgers might struggle
During a recent interview on Infinity Sports Network's "Reiter Than You" with Bill Reiter, Poppinga explained why he thinks the four-time MVP is going to struggle this year.

"I went to the Jets-Patriots game last year, and the thing that was sticking out about Aaron that was different was simply, it's almost this unwillingness -- I wouldn't say unwillingness, because he's tough -- it's almost like the body is tired and doesn't want to take the hit," Poppinga said. "There's a lot of flinching, there's a lot of, I would say his vision is going from reading the field to the rush, which isn't usually normal for high-level quarterbacks. High-level quarterbacks are kind of able to feel the rush and then they're able to then keep their eyes downfield."

 

It isn't hard to look those things up.