Tank for a QB?

Totally wrong. Levis hurt his shoulder and coach over there said Mason would start till Levis recovered. Mason gave Titans their first victory in relief of Levis. Levis came back when he was healthy. Mason actually made decent plays and looked solid when given even a little time. They had no OL ( They overpaid Dan Moore in free agency to shore up line). They were frequently in 3rd and long due to lack of consistent running game, offensive holding penalties, dropped passes (Calvin Ridley is another Diontae). Even the special teams were horrible and gave long touchdowns on kickoff return and punt return in one game where Mason had them leading after a half against Bills or Detroit ( can’t remember but Mason had Titans sniffing victory at half time against both and Titans defense just totally collapsed in second half with both of those teams scoring easily on every possession). The coach should have been fired, except Titans just fired Vrabel the previous season, so they fired the general manager. When Rudolph got chance the second time, it seemed the whole team had given up except Rudolph.

 

To Tank or not to Tank

That is the question

 

15 seasons together. 2 SB appearances together. 12 seasons reaching the playoffs together. And you don't think MT has anything to do with BigBen developing into a HoF caliber QB? Check your shorts because that stinks.

 

Oh no! The dreaded red X.

 

Roethlisberger was already "developed" by the time Popcorn took over. According to your logic Caldwell "devleoped" Peyton Manning... from 2009-2012.

 

No. By my logic Ben developed more over 15 seasons with Tomlin than he did over 3 seasons with Cowher.
Your comparison is 3 seasons after being in the league for a decade already? Lame.

 

You know I'm right. Keep hugging Tomlin's nuts.

 

Personally, it’s a wasted season if we bring Rodgers in. I’m like you, lets see what Howard brings to the table.
This scenario let’s the Steelers see if he has potential or draft another qb next year.
This one n done using sorry qbs is a failure.

 

According to Ben, Mike Tomlin is his coach. He was drafted under Cowher, but he played under Tomlin.


But.... you go ahead.

 

Rudolph had the Titans "sniffing victory" against the Bills and Lions? They lost those 2 games 34-10 and 52-14. This Rudolph worship by some of you is just ridiculous. He is a middling career backup and nothing more.

 

Very seldom does tanking work due in large part to both the Front Offices and Owners that have the privilege of drafting these young Signal Callers in the first place.

The general belief is that the QB is the most valuable position in all of sports. I disagree quite a bit with this take. For me, the QB Position is the most vulnerable in all of sports as the Organization that drafts them ultimately decide their fate.

How the Jaguars have handled Trevor Lawrence is a masterclass example of why tanking just simply does not work. Bryce Young is another. Even Anthony Richardson, a QB who's skillset is very familiar with Shane Steichen, has not fully materialized; assuming it ever does.


This whole "March for Arch" business is silly for their is one major subplot to all of this; Arch Manning may not even declare for 2026. As I have been on record, the only way he does is if he, along with the Texas Longhorns, smash every single record that the 2019 LSU Tigers did.

 

I'm not under the impression that He can either, but I won't hold judgment until I see a thing. In no way I'm I saying He is great, or the 2nd coming. I'm just saying He's not as bad as some like to paint him to be, that's all.

 

I believe they both had a hand in Ben's development. I mean Arians, and Haley were both very Instrumental to Ben's growth, and they both were the OCs under Tomlin, and not Cowher. Again I believe they both had a hand in it.

 

Well, we can argue that Tomlin also developed Dennis Dixon, Landry Jones, Mason Rudolph and Kenny Pickett. None of these QBs had any success outside of the Steelers.

 

Agreed, but both can be true. Also neither were of the quality of Roethlisberger, let's not kid ourselves. Ben is a top 10 Qb of all times

 

Honestly, all you have to do is look at who Ben considers as his coach.

 

And you're hugging Cowher's nuts trying to give him too much credit for developing Ben .

 

But Cowher won a Super Bowl with his players... not Chuck Knox's.

 

Who gives a crap about who drafted the players the current HC still has to coach the team. Cowher didn't even want to draft Ben .

 

Popcorn was still an assistant coach in Tampa when Roethlisberger was drafted.

 

Thanks Captain Obvious

 

I said 'halftime' of either Detroit or Bills game because I didn't remember which. I looked up and It was Bills. What was the score at halftime before defense collapsed completely. Tennessee was up 10-7 up on Bills before Bills took second half kickoff for touchdown. Then Tennesee drove and punted and Bills took the punt for touchdown, and the Titans gave up. No protection as Titans had to throw, silly calls on 4th down and Bills scoring on almost every drive. ESPN has win probability in its stats and you can see that Tennessee was leading almost all game till halftime. It was a blowout against Detroit and Mason went 22/38 for 266 yards 1 td/2 int. He moved the ball against odds. Mason wasn't given much to work with when Opposition is scoring on every drive and you don't have an O-Line.

 

Ben was a Game manager under Cowher if you go back and watch those games in the 04 and 05 seasons its clear that the ultra conservative Cowher held Ben back, Tomlin was the coach who unleashed him and handed him the reins to the team. Ben would not of had the career he had under Mr conservative that he eventually had under Tomlin.