Way too early look at next yrs targets

Will Arch get the same treatment as Sanders if he comes across as entitled in team interviews? Sanders apparently fell in the draft because he came across as arrogant and entitled, and didn't want to discuss anything with the teams that he didn't want to draft him. I don't know how true or how much truth, there is in all that. Just saying I'm curious, if Arch Manning goes into the pre-draft process with a similar attitude as that, if he will receive similar treatment from teams and fall to the mid rounds.

I'm thinking it will go more along the lines of, Archie, Peyton, Eli,.....Arch come on down we'd love to have you AND your entitlement. LOL

 

His grandfather finished 4th in the Heisman Trophy voting/NFL MVP 5 times, Uncle Peyton came in 2nd in the Heisman race/NFL MVP 5 times/1 SB MVP, and Uncle Eli finished 3rd in Heisman Trophy voting/2 SB MVP. My guess is family QB legacy alone assures Arch of being a top 5 pick. The bloodlines do sort of speak for themselves.

 

Did you see the video of 13 year old Marshall Manning dropping dimes at the Pro Bowl practice? He is Peyton's son and threw a 40 yard sideline pass that was a perfect throw to Ja'marr Chase racing down the sideline.

 

Exactly

He did little so far in his career

 

Not only do I not expect Arch to come off as entitled as Shedeur, I expect Arch to be just fine in regards to interviews. Unlike Deion, Peyton nor Eli were known as Drama Queens at all during their careers. Given how Arch has been brought up by the likes of both in addition to Archie, I severely doubt character concerns will be a problem.


Him proving he can be the number one overall pick is what I will look forward from him. He has every single tool one could ever ask for in a Franchise QB. Now it is a matter of showcasing that on a consistent basis; against high level competition no less.

 

- Agree to disagree about the IDL.


- Tom Arth, Karl Dunbar, Eddie Faulkner, Gerald Alexander (2022-2023) and Alfredo Roberts were all hired by Tomlin. Not every hire by him has been terrible.


- How one organization runs an operation is completely different than another. Positional Coaches can only do so much. For that matter, Dick LeBeau went to the sad Bengals prior to coming back to Pittsburgh in 2004. That turned out pretty well. As for Pat Meyer, he should have been sacked by the Steelers but Tomlin sees something in Meyer that I honestly don't.


Me and you both agree on one major aspect; Coaching matters. Pat should have hit the road last season but again, Tomlin sees something in him. If it doesn't work this season, his ass is gone.

 

Because only the dumbest GM in the History of the NFL would judge any player (You seem to be the only person I know that would do this), or draft Anyone in the 1st round that has only played 2 whole(which he won) games, and parts of 4 other games, but somehow Your hate of a certain player has made You overlook this. I don't give a f**k if it was Brady, or Ben's son.....I'm not drafting anyone in the 1st round that hasn't played more than 2 whole games. Oh yeah 9td, and only 2 ints in those 2 whole games, and 4 parts of games is freaking terrible. LoL.
Like any player in the history of College.....why don't you watch a whole season before You say how good , or bad a player will be.
Also Peyton Manning didn't start his 1st season in college untill injuries. He was 3rd Qb on the team, and he was so bad they pulled him.

 

Will be a big difference in the talent He faces also. Only in that division that Sanders played could you not beat any winning teams, and still make a bowl game. LoL

 

Peyton also wasn't hyped until he proved it. Thanks for proving my point.

do you want this kid based on his below average play?

I'm simply just saying based on what he has done isn't worth it. Why does that hurt you so much?

Until he shows his worth, I'll continue to say I'm not wasting a top pick on him.

 

Is it not blatantly obvious to you everything is conjecture at this point with the draft a year away. I think it is quite obvious to all the GM’s and Pundits, that Archie needs to prove his pedigree. He is slotted high because he comes from a long line successful QB’s. It is assumed that not only does he have the natural talent to play QB at a high level but he has mental makeup and work ethic as well based on who he has been around and raised by. I am sure the kid has had access to the best coaching in the country that not many kids his age have ever been exposed too. The mental aspect of the game is just as big as the physical aspect. One would assume he should be light years ahead of his peers when it comes to that part of the game simply because what he has been exposed too all his life. In the small sample size that we have seen of Archie all of this has proven to be true so far.

The rankings of top potential prospects for next year at this time are all conjecture. So it is foolish either way to assume where the guy will actually be slotted a year from now. You can only go by assumptions and averages and if I were betting man the averages are heavily in favor of Archie being number 1 if he even comes out. The only way he comes out is if he truly lights it up and there is no value in him staying in college for another year.

 

The difference is no teams really thought of Sanders as a sure-fire franchise QB.

 

Meyer is likely still the OL coach because his contract isn't up until after 2025.

 

You just lost on....Peyton wasn't hyped. Apparently You didn't watch football back then.
The only thing that so called hurts me is that You are basically judging a player off of 2 games, and 4 pieces of games .....No matter who the player is.....Again....I'm not a fan of Texas, or any of the Mannings, but who the f**k in their right minds judges any player with less that 4 whole games played in College???. LoL...It's ridiculous.....No matter who the player is.
Here to make it simple for some.....what player would You give up a 1st round pick that has only played a total of 3, and half games put together, and if You name anyone....You should have You ability to draft taken away. LoL Because nobody would.

 

This except the coming out. If He's like Eli, or Peyton, he will play at least 2 more years, and we know He doesn't need the money.

 

Correct, and his NIL money if he returns to college in 2026 will be around 30 million. He would take a big cut in pay to turn pro after this year.

 

I'm not sloting where he'll go in two years (because he's more than likely not going to go even next year).

I'm just saying a of right now, he's meh at best. Which other of a dozen QB are. Can he improve, of course. Could be stay meh, yep.

I can't think of a player I gave a round one or second or even a third on. and I dang sure am not going to start.

you clearly are fine setting the bar high for him. I do not. and that bothers you for whatever reason.

 

All im going to say is pedigree and genetics are real. There is a reason people spend millions of dollars in a new born race horse with a long lineage of champion bloodlines without the horse having nit even running a race yet.

 

Keep in mind that pedigree and genetics is from the one who did not play football

 

I'm saying, as of right now, he's meh at best. Which other of a dozen QB are. Can he improve, of course. Could be stay meh, yep.

I'm not going to say the guy is worth wasting a pick on, until he prices otherwise.

 

Right.

I could see if these boys were talking about a player who showed they had a potential of a high ceiling, like Allen had going for him. But we're talking about a kid who looked like a bench warmer, with a ceiling of meh at best. Can he get better, of course. But as of today, I'm not wasting a pick on him.

 

Fortunately there will be another year or two of information

 

FWIW, his dad was a highly recruited QB out of high school. As I recall he committed to Ole Miss, but just before he began was diagnosed with spinal stenosis, which ended his career.